Re: [tor-relays] Electronic surveillance on major tor exits

2012-07-26 Thread Ted Smith
On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 18:57 +0100, mick wrote: > On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:03:24 -1000 > Name Withheld allegedly wrote: > > > Most Tor users probably don't read the manual and follow best > > practices. I'm sure we've all seen traffic where users are using > > google maps to find directions from

Re: [tor-relays] Electronic surveillance on major tor exits

2012-07-26 Thread Name Withheld
I meant "we" as in "our nodes." I can guarantee any node you run (of size) sees that kind of traffic run through it. If you think it doesn't, I suspect you'll change your mind after spending 30 seconds on IRC talking to an average user. On 7/26/2012 7:57 AM, mick wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2

Re: [tor-relays] Electronic surveillance on major tor exits

2012-07-26 Thread Sam Whited
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 2:47 PM, mick wrote: > He specifically used the word "traffic". That does not imply shoulder > surfing. I think the original messages point was simply: ``we all know that some people don't use Tor properly." I doubt he is actually sniffing traffic on his relay (or looking

Re: [tor-relays] Electronic surveillance on major tor exits

2012-07-26 Thread mick
On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 14:30:02 -0400 (EDT) "Steve Snyder" allegedly wrote: > I took "seen" to mean looking over someone's shoulder as they used > Tor, not sniffing their traffic. He specifically used the word "traffic". That does not imply shoulder surfing. ---

Re: [tor-relays] Electronic surveillance on major tor exits

2012-07-26 Thread Steve Snyder
On Thursday, July 26, 2012 1:57pm, "mick" said: > ___ > tor-relays mailing list > tor-relays@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays > On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:03:24 -1000 > Name Withheld allegedly wrote: >

Re: [tor-relays] Electronic surveillance on major tor exits

2012-07-26 Thread mick
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:03:24 -1000 Name Withheld allegedly wrote: > Most Tor users probably don't read the manual and follow best > practices. I'm sure we've all seen traffic where users are using > google maps to find directions from their home, or logging into their > true-name mail accounts

Re: [tor-relays] Electronic surveillance on major tor exits

2012-07-23 Thread grarpamp
> We opted for the "if we don't stay relevant to the world, Tor will never > grow enough" route. I think that's still a good decision today. This is probably an ok thing as everyone knows a useless network is a dead network. So maybe in times of glut, do some release or authority based tuning to k

Re: [tor-relays] Electronic surveillance on major tor exits

2012-07-23 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:03:24AM -1000, Name Withheld wrote: > I know that this is one of the reasons why "more nodes" is the > largest everyday push (I went from 1 to 3 in the last month), and > "we're working on it," and the node-funding push should help some of > this, but I think it's importa

Re: [tor-relays] Electronic surveillance on major tor exits

2012-07-23 Thread Name Withheld
This is in response to something from Roger's email on funding exit relays, but I didn't want to derail such an important conversation by responding directly. He mentioned: "At the same time, much of our performance improvement comes from better load balancing -- that is, concentrati