Re: [tor-relays] [Looking for feedback] An easier way to declare families

2021-12-14 Thread Nick Mathewson
On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 12:55 PM Toralf Förster wrote: > On 12/14/21 17:06, Nick Mathewson wrote: > > > > A relay operator has asked me, offline, if it is possible under this > > proposal for a relay to belong to more than one family. (For example, > > if there were two relay operators who each

Re: [tor-relays] [Looking for feedback] An easier way to declare families

2021-12-14 Thread Nick Mathewson
On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 1:07 PM nusenu wrote: > Nick Mathewson: > > 1) The proposal currently limits each relay to no more than 3 families. > > Is that a reasonable upper bound? > > Yes, 3 is a reasonable limit. > > > 2) We hadn't been planning to implement multi-family support right > away,

Re: [tor-relays] [Looking for feedback] An easier way to declare families

2021-12-14 Thread nusenu
Nick Mathewson: 1) The proposal currently limits each relay to no more than 3 families. Is that a reasonable upper bound? Yes, 3 is a reasonable limit. 2) We hadn't been planning to implement multi-family support right away, though I could if needed. Is that something that many operators

Re: [tor-relays] [Looking for feedback] An easier way to declare families

2021-12-14 Thread Toralf Förster
On 12/14/21 17:06, Nick Mathewson wrote: A relay operator has asked me, offline, if it is possible under this proposal for a relay to belong to more than one family.  (For example, if there were two relay operators who each operated some relays on their own, but also operated some relays join

Re: [tor-relays] [Looking for feedback] An easier way to declare families

2021-12-14 Thread Nick Mathewson
On Sat, Nov 6, 2021 at 10:36 AM Nick Mathewson wrote: > Hello, relay operators! > > I'm hoping to get some feedback from relay operators, particularly > those who use the MyFamily option, about the best way to deploy > proposal 321. You can read the proposal at: > > > https://gitlab.torproject.o

Re: [tor-relays] [Looking for feedback] An easier way to declare families

2021-11-08 Thread Stefan Leibfarth
Hi Nick, On 06.11.2021 15:36, Nick Mathewson wrote: an attacker could guess it and become a family member. Why would that be a problem? All the best Leibi ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-b

Re: [tor-relays] [Looking for feedback] An easier way to declare families

2021-11-07 Thread Nick Mathewson
On Sun, Nov 7, 2021 at 1:36 AM Scott Bennett wrote: > > > Because the obvious incentive for cheaters is in the direction of > trying > to get clients' route selectors to choose routes through more than a single > relay operated by a given cheater, rather than the other way around, this > loo

Re: [tor-relays] [Looking for feedback] An easier way to declare families

2021-11-06 Thread Scott Bennett
Nick Mathewson wrote: > On Sat, Nov 6, 2021 at 10:36 AM Nick Mathewson wrote: > > > Hello, relay operators! > > > > I'm hoping to get some feedback from relay operators, particularly > > those who use the MyFamily option, about the best way to deploy > > proposal 321. You can read the proposal

Re: [tor-relays] [Looking for feedback] An easier way to declare families

2021-11-06 Thread Toralf Förster
On 11/6/21 3:36 PM, Nick Mathewson wrote: Option 3 requires regular updates to all the relays in the family, which makes it cumbersome. Except for people who already have offline relay keys. For those it is just 1 additonal file to copy ;) -- Toralf OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP

Re: [tor-relays] [Looking for feedback] An easier way to declare families

2021-11-06 Thread nusenu
It is a nice surprise to see activity in this area of tor, thank you for working on this. Option 3 requires regular updates to all the relays in the family, which makes it cumbersome. Its advantage is that if a relay is compromised, you don't need to re-key the family. Options 1 and 2 are le

Re: [tor-relays] [Looking for feedback] An easier way to declare families

2021-11-06 Thread Nick Mathewson
On Sat, Nov 6, 2021 at 10:36 AM Nick Mathewson wrote: > Hello, relay operators! > > I'm hoping to get some feedback from relay operators, particularly > those who use the MyFamily option, about the best way to deploy > proposal 321. You can read the proposal at: > > > https://gitlab.torproject.o

[tor-relays] [Looking for feedback] An easier way to declare families

2021-11-06 Thread Nick Mathewson
Hello, relay operators! I'm hoping to get some feedback from relay operators, particularly those who use the MyFamily option, about the best way to deploy proposal 321. You can read the proposal at: https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/core/torspec/-/blob/master/proposals/321-happy-families.md The