Re: [PROPOSAL] building is easy (was: Re: [tomcat-4.0] building is hard)

2000-12-15 Thread Jon Stevens
on 12/15/2000 12:00 PM, "Craig R. McClanahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Let me describe what I just had to do, to get a feel for why I like the > current approach. > > Recently, there were security issues with Tomcat 3.1 that required creating a > 3.1.1 release. Now, Tomcat 3.1 was dependent

Re: [PROPOSAL] building is easy (was: Re: [tomcat-4.0] building is hard)

2000-12-15 Thread Jon Stevens
on 12/15/2000 10:50 AM, "Sam Ruby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> That makes building scripts dependent on these packages >> much more painful than it needs to be -- it's not enough >> to know what directory you've got these packages in, you >> have to specify the version number as well. > >

Re: [PROPOSAL] building is easy (was: Re: [tomcat-4.0] building is hard)

2000-12-15 Thread Jon Stevens
I agree with Stuart! Let me also state that 99% of the OSS C projects built with "configure" out there build into their own directory by default. However, most have the option to build to another directory. That is something I'm willing to support. -jon on 12/15/2000 7:45 AM, "Stuart Roebuck" <

Re: [PROPOSAL] building is easy (was: Re: [tomcat-4.0] building is hard)

2000-12-15 Thread Jon Stevens
on 12/15/2000 3:56 AM, "Sam Ruby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the case of jakarta-regexp, can this be done instead of putting the > version number on the name of the jar file itself? > > - Sam Ruby There is nothing wrong with putting the version number on the .jar file and it help WAY to ma

RE: [PROPOSAL] building is easy (was: Re: [tomcat-4.0] building is hard)

2000-12-15 Thread cmanolache
> > While jakarta-servletapi-4.0 and TC4.0 builds are being > > re-developed, could we please *stop* them creating > > directories higher in the hierarchy thantheir own root? > > ie > > > > /jakarta-tomcat/ shouldn't then create ../build/ - it's > > not nice! > > An alternate perspective - I like

RE: [PROPOSAL] building is easy (was: Re: [tomcat-4.0] building is hard)

2000-12-15 Thread Morrison, John
e- > From: Jon S. Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 14 December 2000 9:13 pm > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] building is easy (was: Re: > [tomcat-4.0] building > is hard) > > > > > > Jon Stevens wrote: > > > > > &

Re: [tomcat-4.0] building is hard

2000-12-14 Thread Gomez Henri
I've switched from TC 4.0-m4 to TC 4.0-m5 in minutes using my RPMs build process. I've only adapted my spec file (the file which tell how to build the binary package from sources, patches...) Since I allready many of the RPM needed by tomcat (from jakarta.apache.org and xml.apache.org), I have

Re: [PROPOSAL] building is easy (was: Re: [tomcat-4.0] building is hard)

2000-12-14 Thread Jon S. Stevens
> > Jon Stevens wrote: > > > > If the above files do not exist, then attempt to look > > for relative paths (ie: ../../jakarta-servletapi) to > > the .jar files here: > > > > /jakarta-servletapi > > /jsse* > > /jmx* > > It is not clear to me why property files with reasonable defaults are > "eas

Re: [PROPOSAL] building is easy (was: Re: [tomcat-4.0] building is hard)

2000-12-14 Thread Sam Ruby
Jon Stevens wrote: > > If the above files do not exist, then attempt to look > for relative paths (ie: ../../jakarta-servletapi) to > the .jar files here: > > /jakarta-servletapi > /jsse* > /jmx* It is not clear to me why property files with reasonable defaults are "easy" whereas environment vari

Re: [tomcat-4.0] building is hard

2000-12-14 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
Punky Tse wrote: > Hi, > Craig and Pier: Let's fix it! We have a beautiful build tool (Ant) , > why can't we have a good build system? > Agreed. One of the reasons Tomcat 4 is complex is actually Jon's fault :-). He wanted a way to build just the servlet container portion (Catalina), whi

Re: [tomcat-4.0] building is hard

2000-12-14 Thread Kief Morris
Stuart Roebuck typed the following on 16:41 14/12/2000 + >On Thursday, December 14, 2000, at 09:44 AM, Pier P. Fumagalli wrote: >> Someone (me! :) proposed to do as they do in XML land with the Xerces >> project. They distribute a simple "xerces-tools..." JAR containing all >> libraries requ

Re: [tomcat-4.0] building is hard

2000-12-14 Thread Stuart Roebuck
On Thursday, December 14, 2000, at 09:44 AM, Pier P. Fumagalli wrote: > Stuart Roebuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > My preference would be to simply include the distributable jar files of > > required libraries in a lib/ or similar directory inside the tomcat directory. > > Those librar

Re: [tomcat-4.0] building is hard

2000-12-14 Thread Punky Tse
TECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [tomcat-4.0] building is hard > Stuart Roebuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Jon, > > > > I *absolutely* agree with the need to make the Tomcat build environment easier > > to setup.

Re: [tomcat-4.0] building is hard

2000-12-14 Thread Pier P. Fumagalli
Stuart Roebuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jon, > > I *absolutely* agree with the need to make the Tomcat build environment easier > to setup. The current situation is a *serious* barrier to encouraging wider > participation. There's no rocket science required at present, but few of us > have

Re: [tomcat-4.0] building is hard

2000-12-14 Thread Stuart Roebuck
Jon, I *absolutely* agree with the need to make the Tomcat build environment easier to setup. The current situation is a *serious* barrier to encouraging wider participation. There's no rocket science required at present, but few of us have time to mess about and I for one gave up at least t

Re: [tomcat-4.0] building is hard

2000-12-13 Thread Jon Stevens
on 12/13/2000 9:11 PM, "Craig R. McClanahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One issue to keep in mind when you look at the build scripts is that there are > two goals that sometimes compete: > * Build Tomcat itself (i.e. make the right JARs > available to the right javac tasks) > * Build a binary d

Re: [tomcat-4.0] building is hard

2000-12-13 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
Jon Stevens wrote: > i would just like to point out that setting up an environment to build the > java portion of tomcat-4.0 from CVS is WAY to hard. you have to know way to > much about where things should go and such. > > for example, the documentation states that you should point to your JSSE

[tomcat-4.0] building is hard

2000-12-13 Thread Jon Stevens
i would just like to point out that setting up an environment to build the java portion of tomcat-4.0 from CVS is WAY to hard. you have to know way to much about where things should go and such. for example, the documentation states that you should point to your JSSE installation directory. given