Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted

2018-03-13 Thread nalini elkins
-decryption/ Thanks, Nalini Elkins President Enterprise Data Center Operators www.e-dco.com On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 8:06 AM, Colm MacCárthaigh wrote: > > It's my fault for the ambiguous wording, but in this context the quote > from me reads as the opposite of my intent. To be more clear

Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted

2018-03-13 Thread nalini elkins
- Prague where half of the room hummed that an internal solution is >needed. > > > > No, this is not accurate. > > > > Half the room hummed **to continue discussion.** The discussion could > still end with no action. > > > -- Thanks, Nalini Elk

Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted

2018-03-13 Thread nalini elkins
no clear consensus > to shut the discussion down. It was not that work on internal solution is > needed. > > > > -- Thanks, Nalini Elkins President Enterprise Data Center Operators www.e-dco.com ___ TLS mailing list TLS@ietf.org https://www

Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted

2018-03-13 Thread nalini elkins
ly sold and > deployed in an enterprise because, as I said last time, this is too risky > for the public Internet. > > > > So then, who is “we”? ☺ > > > -- Thanks, Nalini Elkins President Enterprise Data Center Operators www.e-dco.com ___

Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted

2018-03-13 Thread nalini elkins
ers provide services to hundreds of thousands or millions of end users, so uptime is critical. Nalini On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 9:37 AM, nalini elkins wrote: > *>>* I hope that we can all work together to craft a solution. We don't > want fragmentation and multiple DIY solutions. &g

Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted

2018-03-13 Thread nalini elkins
> This might be a good time to review RFC 7282 Thanks, Melinda! Re-reading! Nalini On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 9:33 AM, Melinda Shore wrote: > On 3/13/18 8:09 AM, nalini elkins wrote: > > I agree that the room hummed to "continue the discussion". > > This might be a

Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted

2018-03-13 Thread nalini elkins
ould know (since you > are a Mentor coordinator), participation is on the basis of individuals, > not corporations or consortia. Right? > -- Thanks, Nalini Elkins President Enterprise Data Center Operators www.e-dco.com ___ TLS mailing list TLS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls

Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted

2018-03-13 Thread nalini elkins
ut this to engage, and will hopefully allow more direct > discussions of the problems and possible solutions. > > Kudos to the US Bank guys for leading the way here. > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 1:13 PM, nalini elkins > wrote: > >> >>- >>"We" is a

Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted

2018-03-13 Thread nalini elkins
ary to have a “speedy” solution. > Again, I strongly disagree with this. The standard organizations haven’t > even made TLS 1.0 illegal yet, as I said last time. What makes you think > that something is needed in under five years? I asked that question &g

Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted

2018-03-14 Thread nalini elkins
has to be defined, it would make > sense for the consortium (rather than the TLS WG) to define it. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Andrei > -- Thanks, Nalini Elkins President Enterprise Data Center Operators www.e-dco.com ___ TLS mailing list TLS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls

Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted

2018-03-14 Thread nalini elkins
t tactics, it's called "consensus by exhaustion". > (On the recent GNSO meeting this was briefly discussed as an issue within > ICANN.) > >> > ___ > TLS mailing list > TLS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/lis

Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted

2018-03-14 Thread nalini elkins
ena, it can even be lives. I don't even see how you can say what you are saying. Let me ask you then, what are the use cases you find to be valid? Saying that enterprises don't value security and privacy is really not terribly useful to resolving any discussion. Nalini On Wed, Ma

Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted

2018-03-14 Thread nalini elkins
ish we could actually talk to each other quietly and reasonably. This is a very, very difficult problem. Nalini On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 4:16 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > > On 14/03/18 23:00, nalini elkins wrote: > > The simple explanation is that people think they will have seri

Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted

2018-03-14 Thread nalini elkins
And they would rather not pay for a solution to that problem. > > > -- Thanks, Nalini Elkins President Enterprise Data Center Operators www.e-dco.com ___ TLS mailing list TLS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls

Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted

2018-03-14 Thread nalini elkins
i On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 4:30 PM, Ryan Sleevi wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 7:17 PM, nalini elkins > wrote: > >> >>>- > Nalini, why don't you (the consortium) define the standard, then? >>> >>> >>> >>> > Indeed

Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted

2018-03-14 Thread nalini elkins
PM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > > On 14/03/18 23:32, nalini elkins wrote: > > But, it is a very difficult issue. If I can use a different analogy, if > > the City of Monterey built a new sewer system and told me that to connect > > to it, I had to build a new house, I woul

Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted

2018-03-15 Thread nalini elkins
On 15/03/18 00:05, nalini elkins wrote: >> There is no question of a smokey back room. >I'm sorry to disagree so bluntly, but while I was an >AD some of the people involved here requested that I >meet them in private to discuss this topic before it >had been raised o

Re: [TLS] Breaking into TLS to protect customers

2018-03-15 Thread nalini elkins
its and increased protection will customers see? >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> TLS mailing list >> TLS@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls >> > >

Re: [TLS] Encrypted SNI

2018-07-03 Thread nalini elkins
73757FA60E4E21B937579FA5880072BBB51E42 > > _______ > TLS mailing list > TLS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls > -- Thanks, Nalini Elkins President Enterprise Data Center Operators www.e-dco.com ___ TLS mailing list TLS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls

Re: [TLS] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-moriarty-tls-oldversions-diediedie-00.txt

2018-07-09 Thread nalini elkins
etf.org&data=02%7C01%7CAndrei.Popov%40microsoft.com%7C30b7cfd6c111409f442b08d5e5bd3777%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636667523215031539&sdata=ixEPAZe51d1FhvdB9sQ8mzRHY04Blyx%2BIYjlFC%2Fo0dw%3D&reserved=0> > . > > The IETF Secretariat > > > > -- > > Best regards, &g

Re: [TLS] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-moriarty-tls-oldversions-diediedie-00.txt

2018-07-10 Thread nalini elkins
> > Hi Nalini, > > On 10/07/18 04:50, nalini elkins wrote: > > It would be nice to see some of this reflected in the draft rather than > > only statistics on browsers. The real usage of these protocols is far > > more complex. > > I didn't have time before

Re: [TLS] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-moriarty-tls-oldversions-diediedie-00.txt

2018-07-13 Thread nalini elkins
and share) your distrust of anonymous data. I am at a loss as to how to proceed. I am open to any constructive suggestions. Thanks, Nalini On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:50 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > Hiya, > > On 11/07/18 06:45, nalini elkins wrote: > > Stephen, > > &