[TLS] Re: [Pqc] QUIC, amplification and PQC message sizes (was: Bytes server -> client)

2024-11-10 Thread Kampanakis, Panos
+1 Regarding the TCP initcwnd and QUIC Amplification topics. I would add kInitialRtt which we found ( https://www.nccoe.nist.gov/sites/default/files/2023-12/pqc-migration-nist-sp-1800-38c-preliminary-draft.pdf, section 7.3, Fig. 5) to introduce 60ms slowdowns due to QUIC's packet pacing. Note t

[TLS] QUIC, amplification and PQC message sizes (was: Bytes server -> client)

2024-11-10 Thread Christian Huitema
I am reading the "bytes server -> client" thread, and I think that the evaluation misses a point regarding QUIC, and probably other UDP based protocols as well. The QUIC handshake embeds a TLS 1.3 handshake. The client sends the Client Hello in a series of QUIC Initial packets. The server repl

[TLS] Post-quantum hybrid ECDHE-MLKEM Key Agreement for TLSv1.3

2024-11-10 Thread Kris Kwiatkowski
Hello, As discussed during the TLS session at IETF 121, we would like to propose the adoption of draft-kwiatkowski-tls-ecdhe-mlkem. There are a few open questions that need to be addressed: 1. **Alignment of NamedGroup X25519MLKEM768** with the order of shared secrets, as per Section 3.2 of