[TLS]Re: Curve-popularity data?

2024-06-10 Thread Björn Haase
Hello to all, I fear that regarding the "Curve-popularity" data there might be too much of "opinion" and "company policies" and "government policies" around which IMHO can be an obstacle for constructive discussion. And it seems again to be a discussion between Short-Weierstrass curves on the o

[TLS]Re: Curve-popularity data?

2024-06-10 Thread Hubert Kario
On Saturday, 8 June 2024 03:53:16 CEST, D. J. Bernstein wrote: Eric Rescorla writes: It's important to distinguish between two senses of the word "recommend". I'd expect the first wave of proposals to be asking the WG to say Recommended=Y for various curve+PQ hybrids. There will be an annoyin

[TLS]Re: Curve-popularity data?

2024-06-10 Thread John Mattsson
Thanks Björn, I think that is a very good summary. Regarding security requirements for ephemeral key exchange in TLS I think it is important to discuss that we are actually talking about 3 quite different settings. 1. Ephemeral key exchange authenticated with a certificate. 2. Ephemeral

[TLS]Re: Curve-popularity data?

2024-06-10 Thread Sophie Schmieg
> There will be an annoyingly large number of options on the PQ side---for > example, for different security levels and for patent avoidance---and > I'd expect a tricky discussion of which options to recommend for TLS. I'm not sure I buy this premise. Currently there seems to be an overwhelming co

[TLS]TLS trust expressions and certificate_authorities

2024-06-10 Thread Devon O'Brien
Hello, I realize there has been extensive discussion about trust expressions and a variety of hypothetical scenarios that some believe will play out should this draft get adopted and implemented. I would like to start this out with a clear statement: we hear these criticisms and are paying very cl

[TLS]Re: TLS trust expressions and certificate_authorities

2024-06-10 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, On 11/06/2024 02:24, Devon O'Brien wrote: I realize there has been extensive discussion about trust expressions Just checking - does your mail amount to "we heard your well-intentioned but misplaced opposition, but we're not (yet) for changing"? I'm not saying that's a bad position to