Re: [TLS] consensus call: deprecate all FFDHE cipher suites

2022-12-20 Thread Hubert Kario
I oppose deprecation. Given that we're still a ways off from standardised post-quantum key exchanges, use of FFDHE with large key sizes is the best protection against store-and-decrypt-later attacks (buying likely years of additional protection) I think the deprecation is premature. While FF

Re: [TLS] consensus call: deprecate all FFDHE cipher suites

2022-12-20 Thread Rob Sayre
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 4:53 AM Hubert Kario wrote: > Thus the deprecation of it is a matter of taste, not > cryptographic > necessity. > I'm sorry if I'm being dense here, but isn't all of this a SHOULD NOT in RFC 9325? https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc9325.html#name-recommendations-cipher-su

Re: [TLS] consensus call: deprecate all FFDHE cipher suites

2022-12-20 Thread Martin Thomson
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, at 23:52, Hubert Kario wrote: > use of FFDHE with large key sizes is the best protection against > store-and-decrypt-later attacks This doesn't deprecate use of FFDHE in TLS 1.3, for which we have some ludicrously large named groups. Is that not enough? > If anything, RSA

Re: [TLS] consensus call: deprecate all FFDHE cipher suites

2022-12-20 Thread Rob Sayre
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 2:56 PM Martin Thomson wrote: > On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, at 23:52, Hubert Kario wrote: > > use of FFDHE with large key sizes is the best protection against > > store-and-decrypt-later attacks > > This doesn't deprecate use of FFDHE in TLS 1.3, for which we have some > ludicro