[TLS] Late DLS 1.3 issue

2021-10-05 Thread Christopher Wood
Hi folks, There's one late breaking issue we need to resolve for DTLS 1.3 before it proceeds to publication: https://github.com/tlswg/dtls13-spec/issues/249 Based on discussions with some people involved in the security analysis of TLS 1.3, a proposed fix is here: https://github.com/tls

Re: [TLS] Late DLS 1.3 issue

2021-10-05 Thread Martin Thomson
I left a comment, but I don't think that the fix, as it is specifically proposed, works. The general shape of the proposal seems credible. A larger epoch space, of which we only send the least-significant bits, would seem to address the concern. But the proposal doesn't specify what to do wit

Re: [TLS] Late DLS 1.3 issue

2021-10-05 Thread Eric Rescorla
On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 6:36 PM Martin Thomson wrote: > I left a comment, but I don't think that the fix, as it is specifically > proposed, works. > > The general shape of the proposal seems credible. A larger epoch space, > of which we only send the least-significant bits, would seem to address

[TLS] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-tls-subcerts-11

2021-10-05 Thread Joseph Salowey via Datatracker
Joseph Salowey has requested publication of draft-ietf-tls-subcerts-11 as Proposed Standard on behalf of the TLS working group. Please verify the document's state at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tls-subcerts/ ___ TLS mailing list TLS@i

Re: [TLS] Late DLS 1.3 issue

2021-10-05 Thread Martin Thomson
On Wed, Oct 6, 2021, at 12:58, Eric Rescorla wrote: > This isn't dispositive, but note that TLS 1.3 doesn't include the epoch > in its nonce at all. That strengthens the gut instinct some, as does the fact that QUIC doesn't either. But neither of those protocols is exactly the same as DTLS. D