Re: [TLS] [Last-Call] Last Call: (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice

2020-12-03 Thread Watson Ladd
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 3:18 PM Ackermann, Michael wrote: > > Barbara, > Thanks. > And I think I was aware of all you state below regarding TLS, and apologize > for any related confusion regarding IPv6, even though, for the purposes of my > comment, they are similar. > > > I don't disagree with any

[TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-external-psk-importer-06.txt

2020-12-03 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Transport Layer Security WG of the IETF. Title : Importing External PSKs for TLS Authors : David Benjamin Christopher A. Wo

Re: [TLS] [Last-Call] Last Call: (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice

2020-12-03 Thread STARK, BARBARA H
Ow! Mike is my friend. Don't go dissing my friend! I think the problem in communication we've just experienced is because Mike strayed away from Last Call discussion on a specific document, to asking/discussing a more general question of how IETF can better communicate with enterprises and perh

Re: [TLS] Call for adoption of draft-vvv-tls-cross-sni-resumption

2020-12-03 Thread Eric Rescorla
Document: draft-vvv-tls-cross-sni-resumption-00.txt I think we should adopt this draft. Some review comments below. S 1. Section 4.2.11). However, in the absence of additional signals, it discourages using a session ticket when the SNI value does not match ([RFC8446], Section 4.6.1), as

Re: [TLS] Call for adoption of draft-vvv-tls-cross-sni-resumption

2020-12-03 Thread David Benjamin
On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 1:16 PM Eric Rescorla wrote: >If a client certificate has been associated with the session, the >client MUST use the same policy on whether to present said >certificate to the server as if it were a new TLS session. For >instance, if the client would show a

Re: [TLS] Call for adoption of draft-vvv-tls-cross-sni-resumption

2020-12-03 Thread Eric Rescorla
On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 11:12 AM David Benjamin wrote: > On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 1:16 PM Eric Rescorla wrote: > >>If a client certificate has been associated with the session, the >>client MUST use the same policy on whether to present said >>certificate to the server as if it were a n

Re: [TLS] Call for adoption of draft-vvv-tls-cross-sni-resumption

2020-12-03 Thread Salz, Rich
*I'm not sure if it's ever been written down anywhere (probably should be...), but I think resumption is pretty much universally interpreted as authenticating as the identities presented over the original connection, client and server. That means that, independent of this draft, the client

Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF109: Confirming resolution on lone draft-ietf-tls-dtls-connection-id issue

2020-12-03 Thread Christopher Wood
A PR with the proposed change is here: https://github.com/tlswg/dtls-conn-id/pull/77 Please have a look and let the list know if you object to the change. Absent objection, we'll merge it and move the document forward. Thanks, Chris On Tue, Nov 17, 2020, at 9:27 PM, Sean Turner wrote: > All

Re: [TLS] Call for adoption of draft-vvv-tls-cross-sni-resumption

2020-12-03 Thread Eric Rescorla
Hmmm... I think it probably goes in this draft, but I'm open to being wrong. On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 12:46 PM Salz, Rich wrote: > >- I'm not sure if it's ever been written down anywhere (probably >should be...), but I think resumption is pretty much universally >interpreted as authen

Re: [TLS] Call for adoption of draft-vvv-tls-cross-sni-resumption

2020-12-03 Thread David Benjamin
I think, like the tracking issue, it should go in both. (I wrote https://github.com/tlswg/tls13-spec/pull/1205 to try to capture the tracking case.) This draft should definitely (re)-state it because TLS preferences are most common keyed by domain name. So even if it's in TLS itself, it's worth emp

Re: [TLS] [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-tls-external-psk-importer-05

2020-12-03 Thread Brian E Carpenter
FYI, the -06 draft satisfies all my concerns. Thanks Brian Carpenter On 07-Oct-20 15:24, Brian Carpenter via Datatracker wrote: > Reviewer: Brian Carpenter > Review result: Ready with Issues > > Gen-ART Last Call review of draft-ietf-tls-external-psk-importer-05 > > I am the assigned Gen-ART

Re: [TLS] Call for adoption of draft-vvv-tls-cross-sni-resumption

2020-12-03 Thread Salz, Rich
* Hmmm... I think it probably goes in this draft, but I'm open to being wrong. That’s okay with me. ___ TLS mailing list TLS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls

[TLS] ALPS and TLS 1.3 half-RTT data

2020-12-03 Thread David Benjamin
Hi TLS and HTTP friends, At the last HTTPWG interim, there was a question of why one would want something like ALPS (draft-vvv-tls-alps) for HTTP SETTINGS (draft-vvv-httpbis-alps) over TLS 1.3 half-RTT data. I know we've also had some discussion on this topic in the TLSWG as well. At the HTTP meet

Re: [TLS] [Last-Call] Last Call: (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice

2020-12-03 Thread BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A
As Barbara builds her confidence for the IETF list and while we have Mike's attention- Mike, you commented "More, it is a lack of understanding of how things work within Enterprise Networks and the lack of Enterprise engagement in Standards Development processes. And finally, this may not be a

Re: [TLS] [Last-Call] Last Call: (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice

2020-12-03 Thread Ackermann, Michael
Sorry for the delay in responding. Tough day at the ranch. Just getting caught up now (or trying). Barbara, thanks for your response on my behalf and you are correct, I am not making any recommended content changes to the draft at all, and I am not arguing against the current text, as Wat

Re: [TLS] [Last-Call] Last Call: (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice

2020-12-03 Thread Rob Sayre
On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 2:38 PM Ackermann, Michael wrote: > The enterprise perspective is not usually considered or understood at IETF > I think that perspective is both considered and understood, but not usually accommodated. I can't even imagine shipping TLS 1.2 for anything at this point, and

Re: [TLS] Call for adoption of draft-vvv-tls-cross-sni-resumption

2020-12-03 Thread David Schinazi
I support adoption of draft-vvv-tls-cross-sni-resumption. David On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 1:49 PM Salz, Rich wrote: > > >- Hmmm... I think it probably goes in this draft, but I'm open to >being wrong. > > > > That’s okay with me. > ___ > TLS mail

[TLS] WGLC for "Guidance for External PSK Usage in TLS"

2020-12-03 Thread Joseph Salowey
This email starts the working group last call for "Guidance for External PSK Usage in TLS", located here: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tls-external-psk-guidance-01 Please review the document and send your comments to the list by December 18, 2020. Note the the GitHub repository for

Re: [TLS] [Last-Call] Last Call: (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice

2020-12-03 Thread Stephen Farrell
(Even though this sub-thread has no effect on the draft, I couldn't resist:-) On 03/12/2020 23:53, Rob Sayre wrote: The enterprise perspective is not usually considered or understood at IETF I think that perspective is both considered and understood, but not usually accommodated. I think yo

Re: [TLS] [Last-Call] Last Call: (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice

2020-12-03 Thread Rob Sayre
On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 4:54 PM Stephen Farrell wrote: > > There are of course a set of networks that have difficulty > in managing and updating the systems that make up their > networks. > That's true, but attackers run on their own schedule. I don't think IETF documents should include caveats

[TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-ticketrequests-07.txt

2020-12-03 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Transport Layer Security WG of the IETF. Title : TLS Ticket Requests Authors : Tommy Pauly David Schinazi

Re: [TLS] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-tls-ticketrequests-06

2020-12-03 Thread Christopher Wood
Thanks for the feedback, Dale! We addressed your comments and updated the draft. The diff is available here: https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?difftype=--hwdiff&url2=draft-ietf-tls-ticketrequests-07.txt Best, Chris On Fri, Nov 27, 2020, at 7:54 PM, Dale Worley via Datatracker wrote: > Reviewer

Re: [TLS] [Last-Call] Last Call: (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice

2020-12-03 Thread Ackermann, Michael
Deborah Thanks so much for your informative and positive message. I have not followed the OPs area too much, but will make an effort to do so now. Any specific drafts you might suggest, I will review. In particular, I am interested in what specific IPv6 document from the OPs area you refer

Re: [TLS] [Last-Call] Last Call: (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice

2020-12-03 Thread Rob Sayre
Hi, What is the definition of “enterprise”? Thanks, Rob On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 7:48 PM Ackermann, Michael wrote: > Deborah > > Thanks so much for your informative and positive message. > > I have not followed the OPs area too much, but will make an effort to do > so now. Any specific drafts