Re: [TLS] [OPSAWG] CALL FOR ADOPTION: draft-reddy-opsawg-mud-tls

2020-09-16 Thread tirumal reddy
Hi Nick, Please see inline On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 06:00, Nick Harper wrote: > I agree with EKR, Ben Schwartz, and Watson Ladd's concerns on this draft. > > The grease_extension parameter shouldn't exist, and there should be no > special handling for GREASE values. GREASE doesn't need to be ment

Re: [TLS] 2nd WGLC for Delegated Credentials for TLS

2020-09-16 Thread Ilari Liusvaara
On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 11:11:03AM -0400, Daniel Migault wrote: > Hi Nick, > > Thanks for the response and I apologize for my delayed response. However I > still have two major concerns regarding the current proposed text: > > Mentioning keyless as the only solution complementary to DC still see

[TLS] Hybrid key exchange in TLS 1.3 and variable-length secrets

2020-09-16 Thread Nimrod Aviram
Dear all, We are writing to ask about the possible security impact of variable-length secrets on the "Hybrid key exchange in TLS 1.3" RFC [1]. As you probably know, when using key material of variable length and processing this material using hash functions, a timing side channel may arise. In br

Re: [TLS] Hybrid key exchange in TLS 1.3 and variable-length secrets

2020-09-16 Thread David Benjamin
"Variable-length" and "secret" don't really go together in the same sentence, as your work demonstrates. I would actually go further and strike that text altogether. I don't think it needs to be an open question. That lets us stick with a simple construction. While the public values aren't secret

Re: [TLS] Hybrid key exchange in TLS 1.3 and variable-length secrets

2020-09-16 Thread David Benjamin
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 12:47 PM David Benjamin wrote: > "Variable-length" and "secret" don't really go together in the same > sentence, as your work demonstrates. I would actually go further and strike > that text altogether. I don't think it needs to be an open question. That > lets us stick wi

Re: [TLS] Hybrid key exchange in TLS 1.3 and variable-length secrets

2020-09-16 Thread Ilari Liusvaara
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 07:26:56PM +0300, Nimrod Aviram wrote: > > We also note that a related RFC exists, "Hybrid Post-Quantum Key > Encapsulation Methods (PQ KEM) for Transport Layer Security 1.2" > [4]. However, that RFC apparently only uses BIKE, Kyber or SIKE as the > PQ KEM. To our knowledge

Re: [TLS] [OPSAWG] CALL FOR ADOPTION: draft-reddy-opsawg-mud-tls

2020-09-16 Thread Dan Wing
On Sep 16, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Nick Harper wrote: > On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 12:24 AM tirumal reddy wrote: > Hi Nick, > > Please see inline > > On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 06:00, Nick Harper wrote: > I agree with EKR, Ben Schwartz, and Watson Ladd's concerns on this draft. > > The grease_extension p

Re: [TLS] [OPSAWG] CALL FOR ADOPTION: draft-reddy-opsawg-mud-tls

2020-09-16 Thread Eric Rescorla
Taking a step back from details, ISTM that the whole design of this document is antithetical to extensibility: TLS is a protocol with a number of extension points. What this document does is allow an endpoint to restrict its use of a certain set of extension points. However, the language provided h