Re: [TLS] Integrity bounds in DTLS

2020-05-07 Thread Martin Thomson
On Fri, May 1, 2020, at 14:51, Martin Thomson wrote: > Thanks to some good work from Felix Günther, Marc Fischlin, Christian > Janson, and Kenny Paterson we now have a new result to share about the > integrity limits in QUIC. > > There is a long write-up in > https://github.com/quicwg/base-draf

[TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO

2020-05-07 Thread Christopher Wood
Erik raises some compelling reasons to change the name from ECHO to... something else less confusing or misleading [1]. Candidates from the PR include ETCH (Encrypted TLS Client Hello), ECH, and EHELLO. Since the HTTPSSVC draft aims for WGLC before IETF 108, it would be good if we got this bikes

Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO

2020-05-07 Thread Tommy Pauly
ECHO is more fun to say, but I do see how it can be confusing (sounding like some sort of ping) when out of the context of TLS. To that end, I’d have a minor preference for “ETCH”. Thanks, Tommy > On May 7, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Christopher Wood wrote: > > Erik raises some compelling reasons to c

Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO

2020-05-07 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 07/05/2020 23:52, Christopher Wood wrote: > Erik raises some compelling reasons to change the name from ECHO > to... something else less confusing or misleading [1]. Candidates > from the PR include ETCH (Encrypted TLS Client Hello), ECH, and > EHELLO. Since the HTTPSSVC draft aims for WGLC be

Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO

2020-05-07 Thread Watson Ladd
'ELLO On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 7:03 PM Tommy Pauly wrote: > > ECHO is more fun to say, but I do see how it can be confusing (sounding like > some sort of ping) when out of the context of TLS. > > To that end, I’d have a minor preference for “ETCH”. > > Thanks, > Tommy > > > On May 7, 2020, at 3:52

Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO

2020-05-07 Thread Salz, Rich
Agree with Tommy, but don't care all that much if another gets consensus. ___ TLS mailing list TLS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls

Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO

2020-05-07 Thread Tim Wicinski
+1 on sooner rather than later tim terrible at picking colors On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 7:06 PM Stephen Farrell wrote: > > > On 07/05/2020 23:52, Christopher Wood wrote: > > Erik raises some compelling reasons to change the name from ECHO > > to... something else less confusing or misleading [1].

Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO

2020-05-07 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Thu, May 07, 2020 at 03:52:43PM -0700, Christopher Wood wrote: > Erik raises some compelling reasons to change the name from ECHO to... > something else less confusing or misleading [1]. Candidates from the > PR include ETCH (Encrypted TLS Client Hello), ECH, and EHELLO. Since > the HTTPSSVC dr

Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO

2020-05-07 Thread Sean Turner
> On May 7, 2020, at 19:03, Tommy Pauly > wrote: > > To that end, I’d have a minor preference for “ETCH”. If we could just work an “a" and “sketch” into the name … I am all in. More seriously, let’s knock this decision out by end of next week, i.e., the 15th. spt __