Re: [TLS] Alternative ESNI?

2018-12-15 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Nico, On 15/12/2018 02:53, Nico Williams wrote: > OpenSSL extracts and uses SNI from session resumption tickets. > > This gave Viktor Dukhovni and Matt Caswell an idea that I'll relay here > on their behalf. I agree this is worth exploring, though am not sure if it'd be better in the end. (I

Re: [TLS] Alternative ESNI?

2018-12-15 Thread Eric Rescorla
On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 9:48 PM Nico Williams wrote: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 08:01:35PM -0800, Eric Rescorla wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 6:54 PM Nico Williams > wrote: > > > OpenSSL extracts and uses SNI from session resumption tickets. > > > This gave Viktor Dukhovni and Matt Caswell a

Re: [TLS] Alternative ESNI?

2018-12-15 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
> On Dec 15, 2018, at 8:08 AM, Stephen Farrell > wrote: > > I don't see any point in considering the variant with the easy > active attack though; For the record the easy MiTM attack requires on-path TCP termination, only discloses the SNI name, and the full handshake then fails. It looks t

Re: [TLS] Alternative ESNI?

2018-12-15 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, On 15/12/2018 20:00, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > > >> On Dec 15, 2018, at 8:08 AM, Stephen Farrell >> wrote: >>e >> I don't see any point in considering the variant with the easy >> active attack though; > > For the record the easy MiTM attack requires on-path TCP termination, > only disc

Re: [TLS] Alternative ESNI?

2018-12-15 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
[ After this comment, stepping back for a while, I want to hear what others think about the general shape of the alternative... ] > On Dec 15, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Stephen Farrell > wrote: > >> For opportunistic discovery, yes also DNS, but the DNS record would >> just hold a stable indication o

Re: [TLS] Alternative ESNI?

2018-12-15 Thread Eric Rescorla
On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 12:41 PM Stephen Farrell wrote: > If browsers found one of the schemes attractive and the other > not, that'd I think be a winning argument - unfortunately, but > realistically, that'd win all arguments about trade-offs in > terms of potential for privacy improvement. > I

Re: [TLS] Alternative ESNI?

2018-12-15 Thread Eric Rescorla
On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 12:01 PM Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > > > > On Dec 15, 2018, at 8:08 AM, Stephen Farrell > wrote: > > > > I don't see any point in considering the variant with the easy > > active attack though; > > For the record the easy MiTM attack requires on-path TCP termination, > only