Re: [TLS] some thoughts on dnssec-chain-extension, pinning, and broader semantics

2018-11-06 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
On Mon, Nov 05, 2018 at 09:00:29AM -0500, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > > On Nov 5, 2018, at 8:01 AM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > > > > Once we start talking about pinning of any sort, we move from this > > extension just being "transport some DNS records" into conveying some > > sort of additional semant

Re: [TLS] some thoughts on dnssec-chain-extension, pinning, and broader semantics

2018-11-06 Thread Tim Wicinski
My question would be "what will the HTTP community do if they find this whole process unwieldy and long"? Answer They will come up with a solution that does nothing with DANE. is that an excuse to do something less than perfect for the better good, or do we live in the world of smug satisfaction

Re: [TLS] some thoughts on dnssec-chain-extension, pinning, and broader semantics

2018-11-06 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 10:05:14AM -0600, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > Of course! But if we don't precisely specify those semantics, we expect > to get DISCUSS positions at IESG evaluation (as "not interoperably > implementable"). Yes, that's why the draft once updated will need to explain the semant

Re: [TLS] some thoughts on dnssec-chain-extension, pinning, and broader semantics

2018-11-06 Thread Nico Williams
We've had a couple of conference calls to discuss the I-D. One call ended up causing the consensus on the I-D to collapse. The second call ended too soon, but it was not unproductive. Indeed, I think at that call and in the subsequent off-list threads we identified the concerns with pinning: -

Re: [TLS] some thoughts on dnssec-chain-extension, pinning, and broader semantics

2018-11-06 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: I think I'm confused about what you mean by "the downgrade-resistance that DNSSEC gives automatically". You cannot filter DNSSEC without the target being aware of being filtered (where filtering == downgrading) Paul __

Re: [TLS] some thoughts on dnssec-chain-extension, pinning, and broader semantics

2018-11-06 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 7 Nov 2018, Tim Wicinski wrote: My question would be "what will the HTTP community do if they find this whole process unwieldy and long"? Answer  They will come up with a solution that does nothing with DANE.  They dont need to do anything to not have DANE. They already not have it.

Re: [TLS] Certificate keyUsage enforcement question (new in RFC8446 Appendix E.8)

2018-11-06 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
[ Quoted text slightly reordered to put the RSA issue first, as that's the main thing I'm trying to get clarity on, and enabling keyUsage enforcement is causing some interoperability issues now... ] > On Nov 5, 2018, at 11:11 PM, Geoffrey Keating wrote: > >> TL;DR: Should TLS client abort D

[TLS] The TLS WG has placed draft-wood-tls-ticketrequests in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"

2018-11-06 Thread IETF Secretariat
The TLS WG has placed draft-wood-tls-ticketrequests in state Candidate for WG Adoption (entered by Sean Turner) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wood-tls-ticketrequests/ ___ TLS mailing list TLS@ietf.org https://www.

[TLS] WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-exported-authenticator

2018-11-06 Thread Christopher Wood
This is the working group last call for the "Exported Authenticators in TLS" draft available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tls-exported-authenticator/. Please review the document and send your comments to the list by 2359 UTC on 30 November 2018. Thanks, Chris, Joe, and Sean

[TLS] WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-dtls13

2018-11-06 Thread Sean Turner
This is the working group last call for the "The Datagram Transport Layer Security (DTLS) Protocol Version 1.3" draft available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tls-dtls13/. Please review the document and send your comments to the list by 2359 UTC on 30 November 2018. Thanks, Chris,

[TLS] WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-dtls-connection-id

2018-11-06 Thread Joseph Salowey
This is the working group last call for the "Connection Identifiers for DTLS 1.2" draft available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tls-dtls-connection-id/. Please review the document and send your comments to the list by 2359 UTC on 30 November 2018. Thanks, Chris, Joe, and Sean

[TLS] WG adoption call: draft-wood-tls-ticketrequests

2018-11-06 Thread Sean Turner
At TLS@IETF103, there was consensus in the room to adopt draft-wood-tls-ticketrequests. This message is to confirm that consensus. If you do not support adoption of draft-wood-tls-ticketrequests as WG item please say so by 2359UTC on 30 November 2018 (and say why). Thanks, Joe and Sean __

Re: [TLS] Draft minutes for TLS, Monday session

2018-11-06 Thread Christopher Wood
Thanks, Rich! On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 4:16 PM Salz, Rich wrote: > > Draft minutes attached; please post corrections to the list. > > > > > > ___ > TLS mailing list > TLS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls ___