Re: [TLS] Consensus on PR 169 - relax certificate list requirements

2015-09-01 Thread Peter Gutmann
Yoav Nir writes: >I feel the pain (I know some administrators who have made this mistake), but >it’s always best to test with something like “openssl s_client”. That's quite possibly the worst thing to test it with, because it's what everyone else also tests against, so it's the thing that every

Re: [TLS] DSA support in TLS 1.3.

2015-09-01 Thread Hubert Kario
On Friday 28 August 2015 20:17:11 Geoffrey Keating wrote: > Jeffrey Walton writes: > > > Also, if DSA was to be supported, one would need to specify how to > > > determine the hash function (use of fixed SHA-1 doesn't fly). And > > > 1024-bit prime is too small. > > > > FIPS186-4 > > (http://nvlp

[TLS] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-tls-chacha20-poly1305-00

2015-09-01 Thread Joseph Salowey
This is the working group last call for draft-ietf-tls-chacha20-poly1305-00. Please send any comments on the TLS working group list by September 16, 2015. Thanks, J&S ___ TLS mailing list TLS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls

Re: [TLS] DSA support in TLS 1.3.

2015-09-01 Thread Jeffrey Walton
>> > > Also, if DSA was to be supported, one would need to specify how to >> > > determine the hash function (use of fixed SHA-1 doesn't fly). And >> > > 1024-bit prime is too small. >> > >> > FIPS186-4 >> > (http://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/FIPS/NIST.FIPS.186-4.pdf) >> > partially remediates the i

[TLS] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-tls-padding-02: (with COMMENT)

2015-09-01 Thread Alissa Cooper
Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-tls-padding-02: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to http

[TLS] Alvaro Retana's No Objection on draft-ietf-tls-padding-02: (with COMMENT)

2015-09-01 Thread Alvaro Retana
Alvaro Retana has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-tls-padding-02: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to http

Re: [TLS] Alvaro Retana's No Objection on draft-ietf-tls-padding-02: (with COMMENT)

2015-09-01 Thread Eric Rescorla
> > > As Alissa, I was wondering why it wasn’t easier to fix the one > implementation instead. > > Because it's widely fielded, and browsers don't know in advance what kind of server they are talking to. > The shepherd wrote: "Since then it has been found that this extension can > server (sic)

Re: [TLS] DSA support in TLS 1.3.

2015-09-01 Thread Dave Garrett
On Tuesday, September 01, 2015 11:24:59 am Jeffrey Walton wrote: > Regarding "who would actually use it": folks in US Federal (and those > doing business in US Federal) don't have the choices that others have. They, however, obviously do have the choice of switching from DSA to ECDSA, so that arg

Re: [TLS] DSA support in TLS 1.3.

2015-09-01 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Dave Garrett wrote: > On Tuesday, September 01, 2015 11:24:59 am Jeffrey Walton wrote: >> Regarding "who would actually use it": folks in US Federal (and those >> doing business in US Federal) don't have the choices that others have. > > They, however, obviously do

[TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-padding-03.txt

2015-09-01 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Transport Layer Security Working Group of the IETF. Title : A TLS ClientHello padding extension Author : Adam Langley Filename: dra

Re: [TLS] DSA support in TLS 1.3.

2015-09-01 Thread Salz, Rich
There is a third option: you don't get to use TLS 1.3 until the government requirements are updated. I'm fine with that. ___ TLS mailing list TLS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls

Re: [TLS] DSA support in TLS 1.3.

2015-09-01 Thread Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
On 9/1/15, 13:54 , "TLS on behalf of Dave Garrett" wrote: >On Tuesday, September 01, 2015 01:24:05 pm Jeffrey Walton wrote: >>> They, however, obviously do have the choice of switching from DSA to >>>ECDSA, so that argument doesn't make much sense here. >> >> I suppose that depends on how threate

Re: [TLS] DSA support in TLS 1.3.

2015-09-01 Thread Watson Ladd
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL wrote: > On 9/1/15, 13:54 , "TLS on behalf of Dave Garrett" on behalf of davemgarr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>On Tuesday, September 01, 2015 01:24:05 pm Jeffrey Walton wrote: They, however, obviously do have the choice of switching

Re: [TLS] DSA support in TLS 1.3.

2015-09-01 Thread Blumenthal, Uri -- 0553 -- MITLL
On 9/1/15 14:49 , Watson Ladd wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL wrote: On 9/1/15, 13:54 , "TLS on behalf of Dave Garrett" wrote: On Tuesday, September 01, 2015 01:24:05 pm Jeffrey Walton wrote: They, however, obviously do have the choice of switching from

Re: [TLS] DSA support in TLS 1.3.

2015-09-01 Thread Tony Arcieri
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Blumenthal, Uri -- 0553 -- MITLL < u...@ll.mit.edu> wrote: > I am not tracking patents - have neither time, nor interest in doing that. > But I'm not releasing commercial software. I think somebody made a list of > the patents owned by Certicom, but I can't recall

Re: [TLS] DSA support in TLS 1.3.

2015-09-01 Thread Blumenthal, Uri -- 0553 -- MITLL
DJB's work is good and commendable. I personally think that EdDSA (and ECDSA, for that matter) are not covered by Certicom's patents. But IANAL (I Am Not A Lawyer)... I *can* understand vendors who would hold until either an explicit IPR release is posted, or the (potentially!) relevant patent

Re: [TLS] DSA support in TLS 1.3.

2015-09-01 Thread Tony Arcieri
On Tuesday, September 1, 2015, Blumenthal, Uri -- 0553 -- MITLL < u...@ll.mit.edu> wrote: > But IANAL (I Am Not A Lawyer)... I *can* understand vendors who would hold > until either an explicit IPR release is posted, or the (potentially!) > relevant patents expire. > > Then those hypothetical peop

Re: [TLS] DSA support in TLS 1.3.

2015-09-01 Thread Jeffrey Walton
>> But IANAL (I Am Not A Lawyer)... I *can* understand vendors who would hold >> until either an explicit IPR release is posted, or the (potentially!) >> relevant patents expire. > > Then those hypothetical people should use RSA signatures and FFDHE key > exchange > Ah, but they are not hypothetica

Re: [TLS] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-tls-padding-02: (with COMMENT)

2015-09-01 Thread Yoav Nir
> On Aug 31, 2015, at 11:36 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote: > > Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-tls-padding-02: No Objection > > -- > COMMENT: >