Re: [TLS] Encrypted hellos (was Re: "Encrypted" SNI)

2017-05-16 Thread Dave Garrett
On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 07:35:16 am Hubert Kario wrote: > On Monday, 15 May 2017 22:10:00 CEST Dave Garrett wrote: > > On Monday, May 15, 2017 07:56:44 am Hubert Kario wrote: > > > I respectfully disagree. That system requires tight coupling between the > > > TLS implementation and DNS. This is no

Re: [TLS] Encrypted hellos (was Re: "Encrypted" SNI)

2017-05-16 Thread Hubert Kario
On Monday, 15 May 2017 22:10:00 CEST Dave Garrett wrote: > On Monday, May 15, 2017 07:56:44 am Hubert Kario wrote: > > On Saturday, 13 May 2017 07:21:06 CEST Dave Garrett wrote: > > > On Friday, May 12, 2017 11:17:45 pm Christian Huitema wrote: > > > > EKR did propose a TLS in TLS tunnel back in De

Re: [TLS] Encrypted hellos (was Re: "Encrypted" SNI)

2017-05-15 Thread Dave Garrett
On Monday, May 15, 2017 07:56:44 am Hubert Kario wrote: > On Saturday, 13 May 2017 07:21:06 CEST Dave Garrett wrote: > > On Friday, May 12, 2017 11:17:45 pm Christian Huitema wrote: > > > The "server DH Key" poses a significant forward secrecy issue. Suppose > > > that the key is compromised. Now t

Re: [TLS] Encrypted hellos (was Re: "Encrypted" SNI)

2017-05-15 Thread Hubert Kario
On Saturday, 13 May 2017 07:21:06 CEST Dave Garrett wrote: > On Friday, May 12, 2017 11:17:45 pm Christian Huitema wrote: > > The "server DH Key" poses a significant forward secrecy issue. Suppose > > that the key is compromised. Now the secret police can find out what > > nasty sites was accessed

Re: [TLS] Encrypted hellos (was Re: "Encrypted" SNI)

2017-05-12 Thread Dave Garrett
On Friday, May 12, 2017 11:17:45 pm Christian Huitema wrote: > The "server DH Key" poses a significant forward secrecy issue. Suppose > that the key is compromised. Now the secret police can find out what > nasty sites was accessed by whom. That can be plus plus not good for > said dissidents. *Th

Re: [TLS] Encrypted hellos (was Re: "Encrypted" SNI)

2017-05-12 Thread Christian Huitema
On 5/12/2017 7:58 PM, Dave Garrett wrote: > Encrypted SNI has been talked to death, and coming up with new schemes that > warrant air quotes in the subject around "encrypted" feels like a waste of > time. Wouldn't it be better to just focus on finishing the > encrypt-all-the-things approach an