Re: [TLS] The future devices that will break TLS 1.4

2018-01-15 Thread Hubert Kario
On Saturday, 13 January 2018 03:31:23 CET Christian Huitema wrote: > On 1/12/2018 1:53 PM, Dan Wing wrote: > > The question I want to ask: What can we do *now* to stop this from > > happening when TLS 1.4 will be deployed? I have the feeling GREASE > > won't be enough... > > Data sets. Machine lea

Re: [TLS] The future devices that will break TLS 1.4

2018-01-14 Thread Martin Thomson
The research that this is built on isn't especially new: https://arxiv.org/abs/1607.01639 The interesting observation in that paper is that the results are obtained only from the subset of malware that uses its own TLS configuration. Those that used the Windows stack in a default configuration we

Re: [TLS] The future devices that will break TLS 1.4

2018-01-14 Thread Tony Arcieri
On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:02 AM, Hanno Böck wrote: > > The question I want to ask: What can we do *now* to stop this from > happening when TLS 1.4 will be deployed? I have the feeling GREASE > won't be enough... Sidebar: TLS 4 ;) -- Tony Arcieri ___

Re: [TLS] The future devices that will break TLS 1.4

2018-01-12 Thread Christian Huitema
On 1/12/2018 1:53 PM, Dan Wing wrote: > I'll dare to have a look into the future and make this imho very > plausible claim: > Cisco won't be the only vendor selling such things. We will see more > products that magically can identify "bad things" in TLS traffic by > applying everything from AI to

Re: [TLS] The future devices that will break TLS 1.4

2018-01-12 Thread Hanno Böck
On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:53:05 -0800 Dan Wing wrote: > Those bugs that interfere with TLS handshakes are un-related to > Cisco's Encrypted Traffic Analytics ("ETA"). Different technologies. I haven't claimed that. I just think it's very plausible to assume that a company that already created two

Re: [TLS] The future devices that will break TLS 1.4

2018-01-12 Thread Dan Wing
On Jan 12, 2018, at 3:02 PM, Hanno Böck wrote: > > Hi, > > This working group just went through a painful process of realizing > that deploying a new TLS version on the Internet is a hard task due to > broken devices. If you're not aware David Benjamin just gave a great > talk summarizing the is

[TLS] The future devices that will break TLS 1.4

2018-01-12 Thread Hanno Böck
Hi, This working group just went through a painful process of realizing that deploying a new TLS version on the Internet is a hard task due to broken devices. If you're not aware David Benjamin just gave a great talk summarizing the issues: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mE_JmwFi1Y Today I foun