Re: [TLS] RFC 7457, Lucky 13, mitigation, DTLS 1.2

2019-09-15 Thread Martin Thomson
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, at 05:28, Peter Gutmann wrote: > Just out of curiosity, why do you say EtM is a non-starter? It neatly fixes > the problems caused my MtE. I don't know that many stacks implement it. We don't. There's nothing wrong with it, but it's down to practicalities. My understand

Re: [TLS] RFC 7457, Lucky 13, mitigation, DTLS 1.2

2019-09-15 Thread Peter Gutmann
Martin Thomson writes: >I agree that EtM is likely a non-starter Just out of curiosity, why do you say EtM is a non-starter? It neatly fixes the problems caused my MtE. Peter. ___ TLS mailing list TLS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/t

Re: [TLS] RFC 7457, Lucky 13, mitigation, DTLS 1.2

2019-09-09 Thread Paterson Kenneth
> From: TLS on behalf of Achim Kraus > Date: Monday, 9 September 2019 at 09:24 > To: "tls@ietf.org" > Subject: [TLS] RFC 7457, Lucky 13, mitigation, DTLS 1.2 > > RFC 7457, Lucky 13, mitigation, DTLS 1.2 > > Dear List, &

Re: [TLS] RFC 7457, Lucky 13, mitigation, DTLS 1.2

2019-09-09 Thread Achim Kraus
ee below for a comment on your analysis. -Original Message- From: TLS on behalf of Achim Kraus Date: Monday, 9 September 2019 at 09:24 To: "tls@ietf.org" Subject: [TLS] RFC 7457, Lucky 13, mitigation, DTLS 1.2 RFC 7457, Lucky 13, mitigation, DTLS 1.2 Dear List,

Re: [TLS] RFC 7457, Lucky 13, mitigation, DTLS 1.2

2019-09-09 Thread Paterson Kenneth
Hi Achim, See below for a comment on your analysis. -Original Message- From: TLS on behalf of Achim Kraus Date: Monday, 9 September 2019 at 09:24 To: "tls@ietf.org" Subject: [TLS] RFC 7457, Lucky 13, mitigation, DTLS 1.2 RFC 7457, Lucky 13, mitigation, DTLS 1.2

Re: [TLS] RFC 7457, Lucky 13, mitigation, DTLS 1.2

2019-09-09 Thread Achim Kraus
Hi Martin, thanks for your answer! > Are you able to use an AEAD? > I agree that EtM is likely a non-starter, but moving to an AEAD is just better. I totally agree! I always recommend to use AEAD and not to start with CBC, regardless of the flavor. But for "historical reasons", there maybe user

Re: [TLS] RFC 7457, Lucky 13, mitigation, DTLS 1.2

2019-09-09 Thread Martin Thomson
Are you able to use an AEAD? I agree that EtM is likely a non-starter, but moving to an AEAD is just better. NSS does the "255 compares" approach, which I think is OK. In particular, if the record is shorter, that information is public which ensures that the timing behaviour is dependent on on

[TLS] RFC 7457, Lucky 13, mitigation, DTLS 1.2

2019-09-09 Thread Achim Kraus
RFC 7457, Lucky 13, mitigation, DTLS 1.2 Dear List, currently I try to do some investigation about the simplest way to mitigate the “lucky 13” attack without using RFC 7366. Therefore I read the slides in [1] and also the recommended mitigation in [2], which is cited in RFC 7457. From the slid