Re: [TLS] Mail regarding draft-ietf-tls-tls13

2018-06-20 Thread Ben Personick
PM To: Ben Personick Cc: TLS WG Subject: Re: [TLS] Mail regarding draft-ietf-tls-tls13 > On Jun 19, 2018, at 11:17 AM, Ben Personick > wrote: > > Yes, I meant ECDHE_ECDSA and ECDHE_RSA are both supported in TLS 1.3, I’d > been lead to believe that all RSA based ciphers were n

Re: [TLS] Mail regarding draft-ietf-tls-tls13

2018-06-20 Thread Ilari Liusvaara
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 03:17:26PM +, Ben Personick wrote: > Hi Rich, > Yes, I meant ECDHE_ECDSA and ECDHE_RSA are both supported in TLS 1.3, I’d > been lead to believe that all RSA based ciphers were not supported. > > Having seem some further responses, it appears it is only the NON ECDH

Re: [TLS] Mail regarding draft-ietf-tls-tls13

2018-06-19 Thread Martin Rex
Ben Personick wrote: > > (My apology for the long email, I did not have time to write a shorter one) > We are currently evaluating when to begin offering ECC Certificates > based cypto on our websites. > > Despite the advantages to doing this in TLS 1.2, there is a lot of > push-back to wait un

Re: [TLS] Mail regarding draft-ietf-tls-tls13

2018-06-19 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
> On Jun 19, 2018, at 11:17 AM, Ben Personick > wrote: > > Yes, I meant ECDHE_ECDSA and ECDHE_RSA are both supported in TLS 1.3, I’d > been lead to believe that all RSA based ciphers were not supported. > > Having seem some further responses, it appears it is only the NON ECDHE RSA > Ba

Re: [TLS] Mail regarding draft-ietf-tls-tls13

2018-06-19 Thread Ben Personick
From: Salz, Rich [mailto:rs...@akamai.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 11:07 AM To: Ben Personick ; TLS WG Subject: Re: [TLS] Mail regarding draft-ietf-tls-tls13 > Since TLS 1.3 will continue to allow ecdsa_rsa ciphers, there will be no > push to move towards offering them, because of v

Re: [TLS] Mail regarding draft-ietf-tls-tls13

2018-06-19 Thread Salz, Rich
> Since TLS 1.3 will continue to allow ecdsa_rsa ciphers, there will be no > push to move towards offering them, because of various 'reasons'. I think you mean ECDH with RSA. But yes, that’s a common situation, few organizations pay to add security until they’re “forced” to do so. You’re not

Re: [TLS] Mail regarding draft-ietf-tls-tls13

2018-06-19 Thread Hubert Kario
ot influence it > Ben > > > From: Viktor Dukhovni > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 12:32 > To: Ben Personick > Cc: TLS WG > Subject: Re: [TLS] Mail regarding draft-ietf-tls-tls13 > > > On Jun 18, 2018, at 9:10 AM, Ben Personick > > wrote: > >

Re: [TLS] Mail regarding draft-ietf-tls-tls13

2018-06-18 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
> On Jun 18, 2018, at 3:12 PM, Ben Personick wrote: > > So essentially TLS 1.3 drops support for DH/DHE ciphers on RSA keys, but > willl otherwise work as expected? No, it drops support for *non* (EC)DHE RSA ciphers, keeping *only* the (EC)DHE RSA ciphers, for specific FFDHE groups (as befor

Re: [TLS] Mail regarding draft-ietf-tls-tls13

2018-06-18 Thread Ben Personick
Hello Tony, So essentially TLS 1.3 drops support for DH/DHE ciphers on RSA keys, but willl otherwise work as expected? Ben From: Tony Arcieri Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 11:36 To: Ben Personick Cc: Subject: Re: [TLS] Mail regarding draft-ietf-tls-tls13 On

Re: [TLS] Mail regarding draft-ietf-tls-tls13

2018-06-18 Thread Ben Personick
x27;. Ben From: Viktor Dukhovni Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 12:32 To: Ben Personick Cc: TLS WG Subject: Re: [TLS] Mail regarding draft-ietf-tls-tls13 > On Jun 18, 2018, at 9:10 AM, Ben Personick wrote: > > There is a common thread circulating, that all support for RSA > Certificat

Re: [TLS] Mail regarding draft-ietf-tls-tls13

2018-06-18 Thread Tony Arcieri
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 12:12 PM Ben Personick wrote: > So essentially TLS 1.3 drops support for DH/DHE ciphers on RSA keys, but > willl otherwise work as expected? > DH/DHE ciphers are orthogonal to RSA key transport/encipherment. The latter uses the RSA algorithm for encryption, without any

Re: [TLS] Mail regarding draft-ietf-tls-tls13

2018-06-18 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
> On Jun 18, 2018, at 9:10 AM, Ben Personick wrote: > > There is a common thread circulating, that all support for RSA > Certificates/Ciphers are dropped in TLS 1.3. This is not the case. > As I wrote in the last email, I am aware we can implemenet ECC certs and > ciphers in TLS 1.2, along

Re: [TLS] Mail regarding draft-ietf-tls-tls13

2018-06-18 Thread Tony Arcieri
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 6:30 AM Ben Personick wrote: > There is a common thread circulating, that all support for RSA > Certificates/Ciphers are dropped in TLS 1.3. > RSA certificates will continue to work in TLS 1.3+. What will not be supported in TLS 1.3+ is RSA key transport / key encipherme

Re: [TLS] Mail regarding draft-ietf-tls-tls13

2018-06-18 Thread Ben Personick
Hello Sean Thanks for the explination. :) Ben From: Sean Turner Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 11:04 PM To: Ben Personick Cc: tls@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TLS] Mail regarding draft-ietf-tls-tls13 > On Jun 12, 2018, at 16:15, Ben Personick wrote: > >

Re: [TLS] Mail regarding draft-ietf-tls-tls13

2018-06-18 Thread Ben Personick
Cc: tls@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TLS] Mail regarding draft-ietf-tls-tls13 > On Jun 12, 2018, at 4:15 PM, Ben Personick wrote: > > We are currently evaluating when to begin offering ECC Certificates based > cypto on our websites. > > Despite the advantages to doing this in TLS

Re: [TLS] Mail regarding draft-ietf-tls-tls13

2018-06-16 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
> On Jun 12, 2018, at 4:15 PM, Ben Personick wrote: > > We are currently evaluating when to begin offering ECC Certificates based > cypto on our websites. > > Despite the advantages to doing this in TLS 1..2, there is a lot of push-back > to wait until we “have to support it” once the TLS 1

Re: [TLS] Mail regarding draft-ietf-tls-tls13

2018-06-16 Thread Sean Turner
> On Jun 12, 2018, at 16:15, Ben Personick wrote: > > I have read some articles saying the draft is approved, but on looking it > seems not to be, I am a little unsure why the draft has been stuck in this > seemingly nearly finished but not quite ready state for 3 months. The draft has bee

[TLS] Mail regarding draft-ietf-tls-tls13

2018-06-16 Thread Ben Personick
Dear Sirs at the IETF, (My apology for the long email, I did not have time to write a shorter one) We are currently evaluating when to begin offering ECC Certificates based cypto on our websites. Despite the advantages to doing this in TLS 1.2, there is a lot of push-back to wait until we "h