[TLS]Re: [EXTERNAL] Adoption call for SSLKEYLOG Extension file for ECH

2024-08-03 Thread Christian Huitema
On 8/3/2024 11:03 AM, Eric Rescorla wrote: ... The main SSLKEYLOGFILE document already contains the following applicability statement [1], which also is referenced here in S 5:      The artifact that this document describes - if made available to      entities other than endpoints - complet

[TLS]Re: [EXTERNAL] Adoption call for SSLKEYLOG Extension file for ECH

2024-08-03 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, On 03/08/2024 19:03, Eric Rescorla wrote: I'd like to make sure we're all on the same page about this draft. The IESG has already approved the original TLS document on SSLKEYLOGFILE [0], which contains the keying material necessary to decrypt the connection. It's currently in the RFC Edit

[TLS]Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Discussions on Trust Anchor Negotiation at IETF 120

2024-08-03 Thread Andrei Popov
* IMO the best place to start would be to try to build some consensus on which problems we want to solve (including whether existing approaches are sufficient) rather than on the details of specific proposals. I strongly agree with this. Cheers, Andrei From: Eric Rescorla Sent: Saturday,

[TLS]Re: [EXTERNAL] Adoption call for SSLKEYLOG Extension file for ECH

2024-08-03 Thread Andrei Popov
> as a developer you rely on ways to decrypt traffic for debugging purposes. As a developer, I use a variety of tools for debugging purposes; in most cases, I find that I have no need to export keys and decrypt TLS ciphertext to diagnose issues. > The draft does not define a new mechanism but in

[TLS]Re: [EXTERNAL] Adoption call for SSLKEYLOG Extension file for ECH

2024-08-03 Thread Eric Rescorla
Hi folks, I'd like to make sure we're all on the same page about this draft. The IESG has already approved the original TLS document on SSLKEYLOGFILE [0], which contains the keying material necessary to decrypt the connection. It's currently in the RFC Editor Queue. The draft under discussion wou

[TLS]Re: [EXTERNAL] Adoption call for SSLKEYLOG Extension file for ECH

2024-08-03 Thread Tim Bray
I’m not a TLS insider but I’ve been watching this discussion, and… On Aug 3, 2024 at 9:36:16 AM, hannes.tschofenig=40gmx@dmarc.ietf.org wrote: > Hence, this is not a mechanism that allows a third party in the middle of > the network communication to somehow decrypt traffic. It is a tool for

[TLS]Re: [EXTERNAL] Adoption call for SSLKEYLOG Extension file for ECH

2024-08-03 Thread hannes . tschofenig=40gmx . net
Hi Andrei, as a developer you rely on ways to decrypt traffic for debugging purposes. The draft does not define a new mechanism but instead relies on and extends an already existing TLS working group item, see https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tls-keylogfile/ Hence, this is not a mech

[TLS]Re: Discussions on Trust Anchor Negotiation at IETF 120

2024-08-03 Thread Eric Rescorla
I agree that an interim focused on this topic would be a good idea. IMO the best place to start would be to try to build some consensus on which problems we want to solve (including whether existing approaches are sufficient) rather than on the details of specific proposals. Once we've done that,

[TLS]Re: [⚠] Re: [EXTERNAL] Adoption call for SSLKEYLOG Extension file for ECH

2024-08-03 Thread Salz, Rich
> I think the draft should only be adopted if it clearly state that the > feature MUST NOT be deployed in production software. Of course, the draft can be adopted and then the WG can make that change. > I think that this functionality should be only compiled into builds that > are specifically