consider people with poor vision, was Re: F19 Installer a little better, but...[consider people with poor vision

2013-06-15 Thread Gavin Flower
On 15/06/13 16:22, Felix Miata wrote: On 2013-06-14 12:53 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: [...] Among the many other complaints other people have raised about the installer, I don't recall one other person complaining about text being too small. Do you think people in the business of de

yum question "Is this ok [y/d/N]:"

2013-06-15 Thread Joachim Backes
Hi all, can anybody explain the meaning of "d" in the yum prompt "Is this ok [y/d/N]:"? Googling this, I found this question too, but no answer. Kind regards Joachim Backes -- Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat): Kernel-3.9.6-300.fc19.x86_64 Joachim Backes https://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de

Re: yum question "Is this ok [y/d/N]:"

2013-06-15 Thread Remi Collet
Le 15/06/2013 10:43, Joachim Backes a écrit : > Hi all, > > can anybody explain the meaning of "d" in the yum prompt > "Is this ok [y/d/N]:"? Googling this, I found this question too, but no > answer. download > > Kind regards > > Joachim Backes -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.

Re: yum question "Is this ok [y/d/N]:"

2013-06-15 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 10:43:21 +0200 Joachim Backes wrote: > Hi all, > > can anybody explain the meaning of "d" in the yum prompt > "Is this ok [y/d/N]:"? Googling this, I found this question too, > but no answer. > The same as putting "yum --downloadonly" -- Regards, Frank - I check for new m

Re: yum question "Is this ok [y/d/N]:"

2013-06-15 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:22:24 +0530 Someone Somewhere wrote: > I think it should stand for yes/default/no.+ > Default action may be different depending on the scrnario. Eg while > installing it may be yes but qhile erasing it may be a no. > Can someone confirm if my interpretation is correct? You

Re: yum question "Is this ok [y/d/N]:"

2013-06-15 Thread Remi Collet
Le 15/06/2013 10:52, Someone Somewhere a écrit : > I think it should stand for yes/default/no. > Default action may be different depending on the scrnario. Eg while > installing it may be yes but qhile erasing it may be a no. > Can someone confirm if my interpretation is correct? Default action is

rawhide report: 20130615 changes

2013-06-15 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Sat Jun 15 08:15:02 UTC 2013 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [0ad] 0ad-0.0.13-2.fc20.x86_64 requires libenet-1.3.7.so()(64bit) [aries-blueprint] aries-blueprint-0.3.1-5.fc19.noarch requires asm2 [aries-proxy]

F-19 Branched report: 20130615 changes

2013-06-15 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Sat Jun 15 09:15:02 UTC 2013 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [avgtime] avgtime-0-0.5.git20120724.fc19.x86_64 requires libphobos-ldc.so.60()(64bit) [derelict] derelict-ogg-3-13.20130516gitd8aa11d.fc19.i686 require

Re: consider people with poor vision, was Re: F19 Installer a little better, but...[consider people with poor vision

2013-06-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 12:07 +0300, moshe nahmias wrote: > I agree with Gavin, I have a poor vision because of Keratoconus and on > most cases it's not easy or comfortable for me to read things when > installing fedora. > > More important is that we should consider poor eyesight since we want > any

Problem with xorg-x11 or mesa or radeon.

2013-06-15 Thread Joshua Andrews
I have Fedora 19 installed in virtualbox running on Win 7 host and I have Fedora 19 running on bare metal on the same machine --not at the same time of course. Anyway, blender works perfect running in VBox but on bare metal it crashes. The difference between the systems are mesa and radeon driver w

Re: consider people with poor vision

2013-06-15 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-06-15 08:08 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: I would want (for F20 if possible) to be able to change the font size easily. It's really not technically possible to do that with how anaconda's written. I suspect the solution is both possible, and easier than you think. Likely it'

Re: consider people with poor vision

2013-06-15 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:57:18 -0400 Felix Miata wrote: > X forced DPI = 96 on displays natively > 96 DPI causes a11y issues > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=974780 But you gotta be really careful :-). My Samsung TV I use as a display reports itself as 7 inches (it is really 46). If it

Re: consider people with poor vision

2013-06-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 14:57 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2013-06-15 08:08 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: > > >> I would want (for F20 if possible) to be able to change the font size > >> easily. > > > It's really not technically possible to do that with how anaconda's > > written. > > I

Re: consider people with poor vision

2013-06-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 12:12 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 14:57 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > > On 2013-06-15 08:08 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: > > > > >> I would want (for F20 if possible) to be able to change the font size > > >> easily. > > > > > It's really not

Re: consider people with poor vision

2013-06-15 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-06-15 15:04 (GMT-0400) Tom Horsley composed: On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:57:18 -0400 Felix Miata wrote: X forced DPI = 96 on displays natively > 96 DPI causes a11y issues https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=974780 But you gotta be really careful :-). My Samsung TV I use as a dis

Re: Validation tests not yet run against Final

2013-06-15 Thread John Reiser
> Here are the installation test cases which have not yet been run against > any of the Final TCs for any arch: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_install_to_PATA_device I installed Fedora-19-Final-TC3-i386-DVD.iso MATE desktop to bare metal i686 having no SATA channels and two PATA cha

Re: installing TC3 on EFI

2013-06-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 21:09 +0300, moshe nahmias wrote: > Hi, > > I tried to install F19-TC3 on my laptop and it didn't work, while > trying to file a bug anaconda stopped responding and just hang there, > I wanted to try and copy the info that was on the retrace right below > the question if I wa

Re: Validation tests not yet run against Final

2013-06-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 12:20 -0700, John Reiser wrote: > > Here are the installation test cases which have not yet been run against > > any of the Final TCs for any arch: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_install_to_PATA_device > > I installed Fedora-19-Final-TC3-i386-DVD.iso MATE d

Re: installing TC3 on EFI

2013-06-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 22:37 +0300, moshe nahmias wrote: > I can re-try but would prefer to know what I need to do before hand, > so I won't need to do it again afterwards or at least lower the > chances of doing so again. > > > what should I do when the bug hit again? I don't care to try multiple

Re: rsyslog

2013-06-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 15:40 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote: > Update wants to replace rsyslog on my system- I have downgraded > rsyslog to > handle the "spamming log problem". > > > [root@franksfedora19 frank]# yum update > Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit > Resolving Dependencies > --

Re: consider people with poor vision

2013-06-15 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-06-15 12:12 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: The point is that there is only so much space for text in the UI. Have you tried running anaconda in Japanese or German at 800x600? When there's too much text on a spoke (those are both languages which use a lot of characters to say the sa

Re: consider people with poor vision

2013-06-15 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-06-15 12:14 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: Oh, and trying to size an entire UI in relative units in a GTK+/glade project is a giant PITA, so far as I understand. Maybe with the increasing disparity among environments the time has come to retire it. -- "The wise are known for th

Re: consider people with poor vision

2013-06-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 15:46 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2013-06-15 12:12 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: > > > The point is that there is only so much > > space for text in the UI. Have you tried running anaconda in Japanese or > > German at 800x600? When there's too much text on a spoke (

Re: consider people with poor vision

2013-06-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 15:46 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > > Well, no, that's absolutely useless and just reviving a decade old > > bikeshed. That is not what I was planning to do at all. Fixed 96dpi is a > > ship that's sailed. > > It can't be denied that forcing is doing what it's doing. Whether t

Re: consider people with poor vision

2013-06-15 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:51:09 -0700 Adam Williamson wrote: > You're drawing an erroneous conclusion from a sample of two displays. It > is not always the case that larger displays have a higher native DPI > than smaller displays. So we just need to all chip in and buy the anaconda developers one o

Re: rsyslog

2013-06-15 Thread Frank McCormick
On 06/15/2013 03:43 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 15:40 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote: Update wants to replace rsyslog on my system- I have downgraded rsyslog to handle the "spamming log problem". [root@franksfedora19 frank]# yum update Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-pack

Re: consider people with poor vision

2013-06-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 16:03 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:51:09 -0700 > Adam Williamson wrote: > > > You're drawing an erroneous conclusion from a sample of two displays. It > > is not always the case that larger displays have a higher native DPI > > than smaller displays. >

Re: Unable to graphically EFI boot Fedora in vbox

2013-06-15 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jun 14, 2013, at 12:35 AM, Andre Robatino wrote: > Chris Murphy colorremedies.com> writes: > >>> I just tried it with Fedora-19-TC2-x86_64-DVD.iso in Oracle VirtualBox >>> 4.2.12 and it worked for me. >> >> Still not working with Fedora-Live-Desktop-x86_64-19-TC3-1.iso and > VirtualBox 4.2

Re: installing TC3 on EFI

2013-06-15 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jun 15, 2013, at 3:37 PM, moshe nahmias wrote: > BTW, if it's possible to do dual boot, one install with bios and the other > with EFI then I can do it and then I will be able to do it for much longer > since I have a bios installation now that works. It's not advised to run CSM (BIOS) bec

Re: rsyslog

2013-06-15 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 12:43:53PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > but it will eventually complete and quiet down. Personally I recommend > pruning the journal first if you have a huge journal full of those > SELinux messages - if your system logs aren't that important to you, you > can safely just

Re: installing TC3 on EFI

2013-06-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 16:28 -0400, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Jun 15, 2013, at 3:37 PM, moshe nahmias wrote: > > > BTW, if it's possible to do dual boot, one install with bios and the other > > with EFI then I can do it and then I will be able to do it for much longer > > since I have a bios inst

Re: rsyslog

2013-06-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 16:33 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 12:43:53PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > but it will eventually complete and quiet down. Personally I recommend > > pruning the journal first if you have a huge journal full of those > > SELinux messages - if you

Re: rsyslog

2013-06-15 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 01:36:54PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > There are settings for rotating / pruning the logs > in /etc/systemd/journald.conf , but they don't seem to work terribly > well when you have huge single files. A manual discard command might be > nice, but what I was thinking of R

Unable to keep Input Method running

2013-06-15 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
What does this mean? This is F19 from TC3 running on omen.com. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX c...@omen.com www.omen.com Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" 10255 NW Old Cornelius Pass Portland OR 97231 503-

Re: Unable to graphically EFI boot Fedora in vbox

2013-06-15 Thread Andre Robatino
I downloaded and tested Fedora-Live-Desktop-x86_64-19-TC3-1.iso and it does not come up graphically for me either - see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=742695#c19 . Can you verify that that is what you see as well? And could you try it with an install image? (Fedora-19-TC3-x86_64-netins

Fedora 17 updates-testing report

2013-06-15 Thread updates
The following Fedora 17 Security updates need testing: Age URL 345 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-10269/revelation-0.4.14-1.fc17 157 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-0455/fedora-business-cards-1-0.1.beta1.fc17 85 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/up