Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-08-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2014-08-04 at 04:24 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote: > Even though luc has so many issues, and even though our Fedora wiki > guide [1] no longer lists is as the first option, I had the notion > that it was already *the tool* recommended by default. Because > fedoraproject.org only links to our do

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-08-04 Thread Kamil Paral
> So I want to inject a note of caution on this one. A few of us who deal > with boot stuff - me for QA purposes, mjg59 and pjones who actually know > what's going on, and lmacken who maintains luc right now - talked this > over a few months back, and what would like to do with luc is kill it, > or

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-08-01 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2014-08-01 at 08:21 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote: > > What about offering liveusb-creator at the first place instead of ISO? > > Actually, this might be a great idea. Not "instead", but if we provided two > buttons instead of one: So I want to inject a note of caution on this one. A few of u

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-08-01 Thread Thomas C.Gilliard
On 08/01/2014 05:21 AM, Kamil Paral wrote: What about offering liveusb-creator at the first place instead of ISO? Actually, this might be a great idea. Not "instead", but if we provided two buttons instead of one: [Download DVD image] [Download USB installer] people would immediately saw th

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-08-01 Thread Kamil Paral
> > Some ideas: > > 1. First and foremost, we should obviously consider whether we can make > > some compose changes that would make the image more compatible with > > third-party USB installers. That's very technical, but I hope relevant > > people could provide some comments here. > > > > I sup

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-08-01 Thread Thomas Gilliard
On 8/1/2014 5:21 AM, Kamil Paral wrote: What about offering liveusb-creator at the first place instead of ISO? Actually, this might be a great idea. Not "instead", but if we provided two buttons instead of one: [Download DVD image] [Download USB installer] people would immediately saw the

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-08-01 Thread Kamil Paral
> What about offering liveusb-creator at the first place instead of ISO? Actually, this might be a great idea. Not "instead", but if we provided two buttons instead of one: [Download DVD image] [Download USB installer] people would immediately saw the difference. If they were after USB instal

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-07-31 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Thu, 31 Jul 2014, Kamil Paral wrote: 3. Third, if everything goes wrong and you end up in a dracut shell, could we at least advise our users what went wrong and what to do with it? Because the current output is very scary and very hard to decipher by a general user: http://www.zive.cz/uploa

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-07-31 Thread FrantiĊĦek Zatloukal
What about offering liveusb-creator at the first place instead of ISO? 2014-07-31 11:04 GMT+02:00 Kamil Paral : > It's a well-known fact in our circles that third-party USB conversion > tools (like UNetbootin or Universal USB Installer) can't create Fedora Live > USB correctly. Unfortunately, it

the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-07-31 Thread Kamil Paral
It's a well-known fact in our circles that third-party USB conversion tools (like UNetbootin or Universal USB Installer) can't create Fedora Live USB correctly. Unfortunately, it is not well known among our users (I see it very often on test list, IRC, or local fedora.cz website/forums) and even