Re: boot.iso vs netinst.iso vs efiboot.img

2013-01-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2013-01-27 at 19:10 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Jan 27, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > liveusb-creator is graphical, hence the recommendation. At the time > > these docs were originally written, it was probably equal to > > livecd-creator in functionality. > > > > liv

Re: boot.iso vs netinst.iso vs efiboot.img

2013-01-27 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 26, 2013, at 2:09 PM, moshe nahmias wrote: > Hi, > I'm new here and just sent the introduction mail so I hope I don't do > something horribly wrong here... > > I see that some of the debate here is that the documentation is not full > enough (uefi stuff), if I am right on this then I t

Re: boot.iso vs netinst.iso vs efiboot.img

2013-01-27 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 27, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > liveusb-creator is graphical, hence the recommendation. At the time > these docs were originally written, it was probably equal to > livecd-creator in functionality. > > livecd-creator is considerably more flexible than dd; it allows you to

Re: boot.iso vs netinst.iso vs efiboot.img

2013-01-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-01-26 at 09:38 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > [1] I'm honestly confused why LiveCD Creator is recommended first and > second. Livecd-tools is recommended 3rd. And dd is linguistically not > recommended, ergo recommended only as a last resort. I have had > extremely high success with dd

Re: boot.iso vs netinst.iso vs efiboot.img

2013-01-26 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:43 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2013-01-26 13:05 (GMT-0700) Chris Murphy composed: > >> If time is money, and the choice is a matter of cost, then DVD is expensive. > > Some consider time spent managing the actual media. DVD's are easily stored > and labeled as to what th

Re: boot.iso vs netinst.iso vs efiboot.img

2013-01-26 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-01-26 13:05 (GMT-0700) Chris Murphy composed: If time is money, and the choice is a matter of cost, then DVD is expensive. Some consider time spent managing the actual media. DVD's are easily stored and labeled as to what they contain. USB devices in all their assorted shapes and siz

Re: boot.iso vs netinst.iso vs efiboot.img

2013-01-26 Thread moshe nahmias
Hi, I'm new here and just sent the introduction mail so I hope I don't do something horribly wrong here... I see that some of the debate here is that the documentation is not full enough (uefi stuff), if I am right on this then I think the best way to handle it will be to include the relevant para

Re: boot.iso vs netinst.iso vs efiboot.img

2013-01-26 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 26, 2013, at 12:06 PM, John Reiser wrote: > It's a matter of cost, which varies. My out-of-pocket expense > of burning "4x" DVD+RW (@ $0.24) has been about the same as using USB stick > (@ $12.) > I've had USB sticks wear out (bit errors, and not from too many writes) > after some years

Re: boot.iso vs netinst.iso vs efiboot.img

2013-01-26 Thread John Reiser
> Yeah OK but the first media recommended is still DVD/CD which also doesn't > allow for persistent user data. The modern equivalent is to dd to a USB > stick. In fact I think this idea of burning actual media is immensely > wasteful and archaic and shouldn't be the first recommended media anymo

Re: boot.iso vs netinst.iso vs efiboot.img

2013-01-26 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 26, 2013, at 10:30 AM, John Reiser wrote: >> dd is recommended dead last, really? > > Under some conditions, livecd-iso-to-disk can be a lot faster because it uses > rsync > to update an existing Packages directory. So if you have a USB stick of full > install > for RC1, then running

Re: boot.iso vs netinst.iso vs efiboot.img

2013-01-26 Thread John Reiser
> dd is recommended dead last, really? Under some conditions, livecd-iso-to-disk can be a lot faster because it uses rsync to update an existing Packages directory. So if you have a USB stick of full install for RC1, then running livecd-iso-to-disk using RC2.iso will transfer only updated fil