Re: Getting harder and harder to debug startup probs

2012-02-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2012-02-13 at 18:30 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2012-02-13 at 10:59 +, M A Young wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Feb 2012, Matthias Runge wrote: > > > > > More general: > > > > > > If you're hit by some bug, you get lost; nowadays sooner than later. I > > > can't count, how many time

Re: Getting harder and harder to debug startup probs

2012-02-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2012-02-13 at 10:59 +, M A Young wrote: > On Mon, 13 Feb 2012, Matthias Runge wrote: > > > More general: > > > > If you're hit by some bug, you get lost; nowadays sooner than later. I > > can't count, how many times I had some error getting X up (or even > > system up) since the move t

Re: Getting harder and harder to debug startup probs

2012-02-13 Thread M A Young
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012, Matthias Runge wrote: More general: If you're hit by some bug, you get lost; nowadays sooner than later. I can't count, how many times I had some error getting X up (or even system up) since the move to systemd. Next sad thing is, it isn't reproducible every time. Since we

Re: Getting harder and harder to debug startup probs

2012-02-13 Thread Matthias Runge
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/02/12 23:32, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: > Is it just me, or is it getting harder and harder to debug Fedora > startup problems? > > We'll see if an old dog can learn new tricks... > > More general: If you're hit by some bug, you get lost; nowada