Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-28 Thread Gavin Flower
On 29/09/13 14:37, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2013-09-27 at 20:49 -0500, dkrawchuk wrote: I agree. I find these digressions interesting and informative. I suppose it's just me, then! Life would not be worth living, if we all had exactly the same interests! :-) Viva la difference! Che

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-09-27 at 20:49 -0500, dkrawchuk wrote: > I agree. I find these digressions interesting and informative. I suppose it's just me, then! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin DOT net http://www.happyassassin.net

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-28 Thread Andre Robatino
Patrick O'Callaghan gmail.com> writes: > On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Gavin Flower archidevsys.co.nz> wrote:How about: > #fedora-ancient > > > Not against the idea, but the name is problematic. People might think it's about old versions of Fedora. Even Red Hat Linux didn't exist un

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-28 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Gavin Flower < gavinflo...@archidevsys.co.nz> wrote: > How about: > #fedora-ancient > Not against the idea, but the name is problematic. People might think it's about old versions of Fedora. poc -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe:

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-28 Thread Gavin Flower
On 29/09/13 10:10, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 28 September 2013 08:39, Clyde E. Kunkel mailto:clydekunkel7...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 09/27/2013 09:53 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 08:49:51PM -0500, dkrawchuk wrote: I agree. I find these di

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-28 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 28 September 2013 08:39, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: > On 09/27/2013 09:53 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > >> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 08:49:51PM -0500, dkrawchuk wrote: >> >>> I agree. I find these digressions interesting and informative. >>> >> >> They _really do_ keep coming up. What if we create a F

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-28 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 09/27/2013 09:53 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 08:49:51PM -0500, dkrawchuk wrote: I agree. I find these digressions interesting and informative. They _really do_ keep coming up. What if we create a Fedora Old-Timers list for this kind of discussion? I'm not even kidding

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-27 Thread Gavin Flower
On 28/09/13 13:53, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 08:49:51PM -0500, dkrawchuk wrote: I agree. I find these digressions interesting and informative. They _really do_ keep coming up. What if we create a Fedora Old-Timers list for this kind of discussion? I'm not even kidding -- I'

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-27 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 08:49:51PM -0500, dkrawchuk wrote: > I agree.  I find these digressions interesting and informative. They _really do_ keep coming up. What if we create a Fedora Old-Timers list for this kind of discussion? I'm not even kidding -- I'll join. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-27 Thread dkrawchuk
I agree.  I find these digressions interesting and informative. Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message From: "Clyde E. Kunkel" Date: 09-27-2013 12:18 PM (GMT-06:00) To: For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases Subject: Re: A different way of

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-27 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX
On 09/27/2013 01:43 PM, Gavin Flower wrote: On 28/09/13 05:18, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: On 09/27/2013 01:05 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2013-09-27 at 22:06 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote: I do find the 'who's been using computers longer?' competitions that seem to be ensuing on all sorts o

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-27 Thread Gavin Flower
On 28/09/13 05:18, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: On 09/27/2013 01:05 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2013-09-27 at 22:06 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote: I do find the 'who's been using computers longer?' competitions that seem to be ensuing on all sorts of lists lately a bit tiresome :) Why tireso

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-27 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 09/27/2013 01:05 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2013-09-27 at 22:06 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote: I do find the 'who's been using computers longer?' competitions that seem to be ensuing on all sorts of lists lately a bit tiresome :) Why tiresome? It is a bit interesting. Way better t

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-09-27 at 22:06 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote: > > > > > That hasn't been the case for rather a long time. > I've been around a long time... :-) > > The second computer I programmed (using FORTRAN IV) was an IBM 1130. The point I was making is that it is not a current concern. Maybe int

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-27 Thread Gavin Flower
On 27/09/13 19:02, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2013-09-26 at 16:23 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote: On 26/09/13 15:53, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 09/25/2013 06:13 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: My concern is wether this procedure results in a kernel that is less optimized for the CPU it is running

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-09-26 at 16:23 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote: > On 26/09/13 15:53, Samuel Sieb wrote: > > > On 09/25/2013 06:13 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: > > > My concern is wether this procedure results in a kernel that is > > > less optimized for the CPU it is running on than if Fedora had >

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2013-09-25 at 21:32 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 06:13:48PM -0700, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: > > I don't know enough about Fedora installation to know what, > > if any, processor related optimizations are made in the install > > instead of boot time. > > This i

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2013-09-25 at 21:38 -0400, David wrote: > Well. Than answers that then. You now have a somewhat limited eclectic > 'circle jerk'. Enjoy. Please refrain from posting this kind of unnecessarily rude mail to test@, thanks. We're trying to keep a constructive, friendly atmosphere. -- Adam Wi

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-26 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:12:22AM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: > >virt-sysprep is a great tool for doing all of the neutering necessary > >when cloning images. It was originally designed for VM image clones, > >but works just as well on bare metal disk images for your use case. > Uh, silly of me, b

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-26 Thread Rick Stevens
On 09/26/2013 09:51 AM, Eric Blake issued this missive: On 09/26/2013 10:43 AM, John Morris wrote: The big one is to touch /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules and 75-cd-aliases-generator.rules if you still use optical media. If cloning you should be sure to clear out the key ma

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-26 Thread Eric Blake
On 09/26/2013 10:43 AM, John Morris wrote: > > The big one is to > touch /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules and > 75-cd-aliases-generator.rules if you still use optical media. If > cloning you should be sure to clear out the key material in /etc/ssh to > allow the clones to gener

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-26 Thread John Morris
On Wed, 2013-09-25 at 20:42 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote: > Sounds like he is trying to do a Linux equivalent of Ghost...I see no reason > for all of the negativity. If you have enough machines > that are enough alike to be able to clone drives and install them on other > machines and then make so

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-25 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-09-25 21:33 (GMT-0400) Gavin Flower composed: On 26/09/13 13:26, David wrote: On 9/25/2013 9:13 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: On 09/25/2013 05:45 PM, David wrote: On 9/25/2013 7:19 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: Several of my machies have SATA hot swap ports. These make it easy t

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-25 Thread Gavin Flower
On 26/09/13 15:53, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 09/25/2013 06:13 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: My concern is wether this procedure results in a kernel that is less optimized for the CPU it is running on than if Fedora had been installed directly on that machine. I don't know enough about Fedora ins

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-25 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 09/25/2013 06:13 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: My concern is wether this procedure results in a kernel that is less optimized for the CPU it is running on than if Fedora had been installed directly on that machine. I don't know enough about Fedora installation to know what, if any, process

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-25 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 09:38:47PM -0400, David wrote: > Well. Than answers that then. You now have a somewhat limited eclectic David, please remember that the Fedora code of conduct applies to your participation here. Without even getting into the appropriateness of the metaphor you've chosen, th

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-25 Thread Kevin Martin
On 09/25/13 20:38, David wrote: > On 9/25/2013 9:33 PM, Gavin Flower wrote: >> On 26/09/13 13:26, David wrote: >>> On 9/25/2013 9:13 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: On 09/25/2013 05:45 PM, David wrote: > On 9/25/2013 7:19 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: >> Several of my machies have

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-25 Thread David
On 9/25/2013 9:33 PM, Gavin Flower wrote: > On 26/09/13 13:26, David wrote: >> On 9/25/2013 9:13 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: >>> On 09/25/2013 05:45 PM, David wrote: On 9/25/2013 7:19 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: > Several of my machies have SATA hot swap ports. > These make i

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-25 Thread nonamedotc
On 09/25/2013 06:19 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: Several of my machies have SATA hot swap ports. These make it easy to use smaller drives as backup media. When RC4 came out I installed it on a 4 TB drive using an older E6550 machine. At my leisure I added lots of apps and libs that I norma

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-25 Thread Gavin Flower
On 26/09/13 13:26, David wrote: On 9/25/2013 9:13 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: On 09/25/2013 05:45 PM, David wrote: On 9/25/2013 7:19 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: Several of my machies have SATA hot swap ports. These make it easy to use smaller drives as backup media. When RC4 came ou

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-25 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 06:13:48PM -0700, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: > I don't know enough about Fedora installation to know what, > if any, processor related optimizations are made in the install > instead of boot time. This is perfectly fine and will work, with one big exception -- by default,

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-25 Thread David
On 9/25/2013 9:13 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: > On 09/25/2013 05:45 PM, David wrote: >> On 9/25/2013 7:19 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: >>> Several of my machies have SATA hot swap ports. >>> These make it easy to use smaller drives as backup media. >>> >>> When RC4 came out I installed it

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-25 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX
On 09/25/2013 05:45 PM, David wrote: On 9/25/2013 7:19 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: Several of my machies have SATA hot swap ports. These make it easy to use smaller drives as backup media. When RC4 came out I installed it on a 4 TB drive using an older E6550 machine. At my leisure I added

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-25 Thread David
On 9/25/2013 7:19 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: > Several of my machies have SATA hot swap ports. > These make it easy to use smaller drives as backup media. > > When RC4 came out I installed it on a 4 TB drive using an > older E6550 machine. At my leisure I added lots of apps > and libs that