Re: Post-TC1 strategizin'

2011-08-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 22:00 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 08/04/2011 08:51 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > Don't quite see what you mean. We're behind because the TC1 images > > were delayed by a week, that's pretty much it. The shape they're in > > when they arrive is a function of the develope

Re: Post-TC1 strategizin'

2011-08-04 Thread Timothy Davis
> > > From: Adam Williamson > To: For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases < > test@lists.fedoraproject.org> > Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 19:22:21 -0700 > Subject: Re: Post-TC1 strategizin' > On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 21:08 -0400, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: &g

Re: Post-TC1 strategizin'

2011-08-04 Thread James Laska
On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 22:00 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 08/04/2011 08:51 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > Don't quite see what you mean. We're behind because the TC1 images > > were delayed by a week, that's pretty much it. The shape they're in > > when they arrive is a function of the develope

Re: Post-TC1 strategizin'

2011-08-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 08/04/2011 08:51 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > Don't quite see what you mean. We're behind because the TC1 images > were delayed by a week, that's pretty much it. The shape they're in > when they arrive is a function of the developers, we don't have much > control over it =) That is a bit of a

Re: Post-TC1 strategizin'

2011-08-04 Thread Chris Lumens
> > So, we have the choice of waiting for all blockers to be resolved before > > we do the next compose, which might take a while, or doing a TC2 with > > the most critical fixes in. What approach do people think we should > > take? Would a TC2 have any value or should we just clean up all the > >

Re: Post-TC1 strategizin'

2011-08-04 Thread Ian Pilcher
On 08/03/2011 07:41 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > So, we have the choice of waiting for all blockers to be resolved before > we do the next compose, which might take a while, or doing a TC2 with > the most critical fixes in. What approach do people think we should > take? Would a TC2 have any value

Re: Post-TC1 strategizin'

2011-08-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 14:11 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 08/04/2011 06:11 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > I thought it'd be a good idea to take a step back and plan a strategy > > for post-Alpha TC1. > > > > We're in trouble for Alpha; we're a long way behind schedule, and we > > have a lot of

Re: Post-TC1 strategizin'

2011-08-04 Thread James Laska
On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 21:21 -0500, John Watzke wrote: > Honestly I rather having the extra TC build to weed out any potential > blocker that could arise during fixing and spinning of the known blockers. > I've seen that happen in the past and an extra spin can help make sure RC is > better at the s

Re: Post-TC1 strategizin'

2011-08-04 Thread Jared K. Smith
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 4:41 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Why did this happen?  What went wrong?  The strategy should be based on > that. James and Adam have already begun to outline some of the reasons on the F16 QA Retrospective page on the wiki. Everyone is welcome to add their input to that pa

Re: Post-TC1 strategizin'

2011-08-04 Thread Richard Ryniker
On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 14:11:43 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >On 08/04/2011 06:11 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> I thought it'd be a good idea to take a step back and plan a strategy >> for post-Alpha TC1. >> >> We're in trouble for Alpha; we're a long way behind schedule, and we >> have a lot of block

Re: Post-TC1 strategizin'

2011-08-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 08/04/2011 06:11 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > I thought it'd be a good idea to take a step back and plan a strategy > for post-Alpha TC1. > > We're in trouble for Alpha; we're a long way behind schedule, and we > have a lot of blocker bugs remaining. TC1 is in pretty bad shape. Why did this hap

Re: Post-TC1 strategizin'

2011-08-04 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:41:09 -0700, AW (Adam) wrote: > I thought it'd be a good idea to take a step back and plan a strategy > for post-Alpha TC1. > > We're in trouble for Alpha; we're a long way behind schedule, and we > have a lot of blocker bugs remaining. TC1 is in pretty bad shape. > > By p

Re: Post-TC1 strategizin'

2011-08-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 21:08 -0400, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: > I suspect this is vacation time for many, so a longer slip might be in > the offing. No-one gets any vacation while there are still open blockers. ;) -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | id

Re: Post-TC1 strategizin'

2011-08-03 Thread John Watzke
Honestly I rather having the extra TC build to weed out any potential blocker that could arise during fixing and spinning of the known blockers. I've seen that happen in the past and an extra spin can help make sure RC is better at the start. -- John Watzke On Aug 3, 2011 8:12 PM, "Clyde E. Kun

Re: Post-TC1 strategizin'

2011-08-03 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 08/03/2011 08:41 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > I thought it'd be a good idea to take a step back and plan a strategy > for post-Alpha TC1. > > We're in trouble for Alpha; we're a long way behind schedule, and we > have a lot of blocker bugs remaining. TC1 is in pretty bad shape. > > By policy, we

Post-TC1 strategizin'

2011-08-03 Thread Adam Williamson
I thought it'd be a good idea to take a step back and plan a strategy for post-Alpha TC1. We're in trouble for Alpha; we're a long way behind schedule, and we have a lot of blocker bugs remaining. TC1 is in pretty bad shape. By policy, we can't call a build an RC until all known blockers are fixe