Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-21 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 00:50:22 +0100, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > Hi, > > If you suggest to someone that this wallpaper looks like a swastika - it > might look so. Only with a lot of fantasy and when throwing away the knowledge of what a real swastika looks like. Relevant to Germans would also be t

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-21 Thread Chris Murphy
On Nov 21, 2013, at 12:12 AM, Petr Schindler wrote: > Can someone draw it and send a picture? I've done some image manipulation to significantly posterize the image and invert the colors in order to enhance what little contrast the image has, to try and find it. What I've got is still somethi

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-21 Thread moshe nahmias
I think that it doesn't look like a swastika, but I can understand why some people think they see it in the picture. The orientation is wrong for the Nazi symbol. Since the context of fedora is about the absolute opposite of the Nazi philosophy and the old symbol is also a good one (the one the Naz

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-21 Thread Ian Malone
On 21 November 2013 07:12, Petr Schindler wrote: > On Čt, 2013-11-21 at 07:57 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:25 PM, James Patterson >> wrote: >> > >> > Hello, >> > >> > I noticed the new Fedora 20 wallpaper looks like a swastika. It would be >> > great if it didn't for t

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-20 Thread Petr Schindler
On Čt, 2013-11-21 at 07:57 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote: > On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:25 PM, James Patterson > wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I noticed the new Fedora 20 wallpaper looks like a swastika. It would be > > great if it didn't for the final release, it would upset a few people. > > > > I fi

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-20 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:25 PM, James Patterson wrote: > > Hello, > > I noticed the new Fedora 20 wallpaper looks like a swastika. It would be > great if it didn't for the final release, it would upset a few people. > > I filed a bug here under wallpapers, but moved it to distro since it's a > po

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-20 Thread Sam Kottler
- Original Message - > From: "Chris Adams" > To: test@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:49:14 PM > Subject: Re: Fedora 20 Swastika > > Once upon a time, Michał Piotrowski said: > > I think that for a sake of every

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-20 Thread Richard Vickery
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Michał Piotrowski said: > > I think that for a sake of everyone who can see a swastika on this > > wallpaper, just change it to something else. > > I disagree. There will _always_ be somebody that can find fault with > any

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-20 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:49:14 -0600 Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Michał Piotrowski said: > > I think that for a sake of everyone who can see a swastika on this > > wallpaper, just change it to something else. > > I disagree. There will _always_ be somebody that can find fault > with a

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-20 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Michał Piotrowski said: > I think that for a sake of everyone who can see a swastika on this > wallpaper, just change it to something else. I disagree. There will _always_ be somebody that can find fault with anything (especially something as subjective as artwork); you can't j

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-20 Thread Jason Farrell
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > 2013/11/20 Scott Robbins > >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 08:37:20AM -0800, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: >> > I don't perceive any swastikas in the current Heisenbug background, >> > and I can fantasize from an ink plot better then the ave

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-20 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2013/11/20 Scott Robbins > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 08:37:20AM -0800, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: > > I don't perceive any swastikas in the current Heisenbug background, > > and I can fantasize from an ink plot better then the average bear. > > > > I'm Jewish, for what it's worth. I don't _thin

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-20 Thread Richard Vickery
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Nov 19, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > > I see a closeup of 200 count Egyptian cotton weave. I could in no why, > no matter how hard I tried or squinted, see anything close to a swastika. > > I thought about asking the OP for a t

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-20 Thread Scott Robbins
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 08:37:20AM -0800, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: > I don't perceive any swastikas in the current Heisenbug background, > and I can fantasize from an ink plot better then the average bear. > I'm Jewish, for what it's worth. I don't _think_ I would have noticed it had it not

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-20 Thread Chris Murphy
On Nov 19, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > I see a closeup of 200 count Egyptian cotton weave. I could in no why, no > matter how hard I tried or squinted, see anything close to a swastika. I thought about asking the OP for a tracing to make it easier for me to find. But after 4-5 minut

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-20 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX
I don't perceive any swastikas in the current Heisenbug background, and I can fantasize from an ink plot better then the average bear. I would like to see something less boring, perhaps a rotation of high res pictures of celestial objects and NASA photos. Hopefully the quality will be sufficien

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-20 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 20.11.2013 00:35, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2013-11-19 at 15:31 -0800, Richard Vickery wrote: On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2013-11-19 at 11:25 -0800, James Patterson wrote: > Hello, > > I noticed the new Fedora 20

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-11-19 at 23:00 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: > > FWIW, it doesn't look remotely like one to me or anyone else currently > > discussing it in #fedora-devel. > > While I do not want to overrule any decisions made, I would like to note > tha

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-19 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 23:00:30 -0500 Bill Nottingham wrote: > While I do not want to overrule any decisions made, I would like to > note that asking for self-selected opinions (in a > not-the-most-diverse community) on whether an item is potentially > offensive to a minority is a somewhat problemat

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-19 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 11:25:52 -0800 James Patterson wrote: > Hello, > > I noticed the new Fedora 20 wallpaper looks like a swastika. It > would be great if it didn't for the final release, it would upset a > few people. Are you Jewish or German, serious question? If neither why do you presume th

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-19 Thread Bill Nottingham
Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: > FWIW, it doesn't look remotely like one to me or anyone else currently > discussing it in #fedora-devel. While I do not want to overrule any decisions made, I would like to note that asking for self-selected opinions (in a not-the-most-diverse communi

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-19 Thread Ed Greshko
On 11/20/13 08:38, "Germán A. Racca" wrote: > On 11/19/2013 10:02 PM, Thomas Cameron wrote: >> On 11/19/2013 05:35 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >>> There really isn't any need for alarmism. We're talking about >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F20-alpha-wallpaper-wide.png . >>> No-one is gettin

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-19 Thread Germán A. Racca
On 11/19/2013 10:02 PM, Thomas Cameron wrote: On 11/19/2013 05:35 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: There really isn't any need for alarmism. We're talking about https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F20-alpha-wallpaper-wide.png . No-one is getting sued into oblivion by Bill Gates or anyone else. Why do

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-19 Thread Thomas Cameron
On 11/19/2013 05:35 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > There really isn't any need for alarmism. We're talking about > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F20-alpha-wallpaper-wide.png . > No-one is getting sued into oblivion by Bill Gates or anyone else. Why > do so many people seem to want to default to

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-19 Thread Richard Vickery
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2013-11-19 at 15:31 -0800, Richard Vickery wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Adam Williamson > > wrote: > > On Tue, 2013-11-19 at 11:25 -0800, James Patterson wrote: > > > Hello, > > >

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-19 Thread Michał Piotrowski
Hi, If you suggest to someone that this wallpaper looks like a swastika - it might look so. When I look at this image and I don't think about swastika I don't see it. It's just a power of suggestion - nothing more from my POV. (And yeah, I live in country where we take such things seriously. The

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-11-19 at 15:31 -0800, Richard Vickery wrote: > > > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Adam Williamson > wrote: > On Tue, 2013-11-19 at 11:25 -0800, James Patterson wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I noticed the new Fedora 20 wallpaper looks like a swastika.

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-19 Thread Richard Vickery
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2013-11-19 at 11:25 -0800, James Patterson wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I noticed the new Fedora 20 wallpaper looks like a swastika. It would be > > great if it didn't for the final release, it would upset a few people. > > > > I filed

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-11-19 at 11:25 -0800, James Patterson wrote: > Hello, > > I noticed the new Fedora 20 wallpaper looks like a swastika. It would be > great if it didn't for the final release, it would upset a few people. > > I filed a bug here under wallpapers, but moved it to distro since it's a > p

Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-19 Thread James Patterson
Sorry, wrong list. I was looking for the test release list. Apologies. -- James Patterson jamespatter...@operamail.com On Tue, Nov 19, 2013, at 11:25 AM, James Patterson wrote: > Hello, > > I noticed the new Fedora 20 wallpaper looks like a swastika. It would be > great if it didn't for the

Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-19 Thread James Patterson
Hello, I noticed the new Fedora 20 wallpaper looks like a swastika. It would be great if it didn't for the final release, it would upset a few people. I filed a bug here under wallpapers, but moved it to distro since it's a policy decision: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1030643 --