On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 22:49 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 06/20/2013 10:05 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > So if I'm reading things right, no, langtable doesn't currently make
> > any attempt to associate each Indian language with a territory any
> > more specific than 'India', and as currentl
On 06/20/2013 10:05 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
So if I'm reading things right, no, langtable doesn't currently make
any attempt to associate each Indian language with a territory any
more specific than 'India', and as currently implemented, couldn't
actually do this. Mike may well correct me if
On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 21:52 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 06/20/2013 09:40 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > To me that's just more illustration of the problem. Do things look
> > better to an Indian who just wants to install in English anyway if we:
> >
> > a) default to English?
> > b) default t
On 06/20/2013 09:40 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
To me that's just more illustration of the problem. Do things look
better to an Indian who just wants to install in English anyway if we:
a) default to English?
b) default to an Indian language they don't speak at all?
Obviously its globally easier
On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 21:19 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 06/20/2013 09:04 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >
> > Frankly I'm not 100% convinced that it's a good idea to try and guess
> > language even from a fairly reliable geolocation mechanism like ours.
> > It's still not 100% reliable - people
On 06/20/2013 09:04 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Frankly I'm not 100% convinced that it's a good idea to try and guess
language even from a fairly reliable geolocation mechanism like ours.
It's still not 100% reliable - people behind corporate VPNs can be
routed through just about anywhere - and e
On 06/21/13 09:04, Adam Williamson wrote:
> English is pretty
> much the unofficial lingua franca of Tech In General, if nothing else,
> everyone's pretty much resigned to it by now - but people (of whatever
> nationality) are far more likely to find it problematic if it defaults
> to a non-English
On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 16:01 -0400, Peter Jones wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 05:54:33PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 12:39 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote:
> > > On 14/06/13 12:31, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 12:28 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote:
>
On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 20:05 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Adam Williamson
> wrote:
> Quite a lot of people have said they find the current layout a
> bit
> confusing, but then, we tried two other layouts before this
> one and
>
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 05:54:33PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 12:39 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote:
> > On 14/06/13 12:31, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 12:28 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well, I configured the wireless network prior to g
On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 12:07 +0300, moshe nahmias wrote:
> I agree with Gavin, I have a poor vision because of Keratoconus and on
> most cases it's not easy or comfortable for me to read things when
> installing fedora.
>
> More important is that we should consider poor eyesight since we want
> any
On 15/06/13 16:22, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2013-06-14 12:53 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed:
[...]
Among the many other complaints other people have raised
about the installer, I don't recall one other person complaining about
text being too small.
Do you think people in the business of de
On 2013-06-14 12:53 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed:
On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 15:40 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
Mount point among the input fields appears above everything except (the
inexplicably present input field:) device name (duplicating the larger bolder
device name above it to left). O
On 2013-06-14 12:53 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed:
On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 15:40 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
Hardware, switching between a 15" 1024x768 LCD and a 19.8" visible CRT trying
to discover a way to make everything legible. At the time I was trying to get
a 1600x1200 screenshot of
On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 15:40 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> On 2013-06-14 09:57 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed:
>
> > On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 05:24 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
>
> > it seems pretty clear to me what you should have done at
> > the point of
> > http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Fedora/anaconda19
On 2013-06-14 09:57 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed:
On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 05:24 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
it seems pretty clear to me what you should have done at
the point of
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Fedora/anaconda19tc3-06parts-0768.png : changed
the 'File System' drop down
Yup, now af
On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 14:01 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> On 2013-06-14 09:59 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed:
>
> > 'Available space' is *unpartitioned* space, not 'partitions that happen
> > to be empty'. Anaconda isn't about to assume it can just go ahead and
> > stick itself in any partition
On 2013-06-14 09:59 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed:
'Available space' is *unpartitioned* space, not 'partitions that happen
to be empty'. Anaconda isn't about to assume it can just go ahead and
stick itself in any partition which doesn't currently contain any data.
That does not seem like a
On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 05:24 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Fedora/anaconda19tc3-06parts-0768.png and no further
> than being told insufficient space
> http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Fedora/anaconda19tc3-11addfailure-1024.png &
> http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Fedora/anaconda19tc3-04partopti
On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 05:24 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> On 2013-06-13 15:42 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed:
>
> > All existing partitions are shown in the tree
> > view on the left hand side of custom partitioning. You can select one
> > and assign a mount point to it on the right hand side,
On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 05:24:18 -0400
Felix Miata wrote:
> Its unintuitive logic has me pretty well baffled.
Me too. My preferred install technique these days is
to install into a nice new virtual machine where it
can't screw anything up, then guestmount and rsync
the virtual machine image to the re
On 2013-06-13 15:42 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed:
All existing partitions are shown in the tree
view on the left hand side of custom partitioning. You can select one
and assign a mount point to it on the right hand side, and choose
whether or not to reformat it.
Its unintuitive logic ha
On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 15:55 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote:
> On 14/06/13 11:47, Tom Horsley wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 11:34:10 +1200
> > Gavin Flower wrote:
> >
> > > On the software selection spoke, you can select broad categories, but
> > > you can't pick & chose within those categories.
>
On 14/06/13 12:57, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 06/14/13 08:28, Gavin Flower wrote:
Well, I configured the wireless network prior to get to the installation summary
with all the spokes in the previous screen, and it correctly got the assigned host
name & IPv4 address. So I asumed the network was up.
On Jun 13, 2013, at 9:14 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>
> Always lovely when you setup a cool new thing and people tell you it
> sucks and needs to be better. ;)
It's a cool new thing that distinctly does not suck and probably doesn't need
to better. I only said given the extreme precision, the acc
On Jun 13, 2013, at 7:08 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> https://geoip.stg.fedoraproject.org/city
How is this working? With a WiFi access point MAC address entered into Skyhook
it has the location within +/- 20 feet from the actual location. But the
lat/long from the URL above is about 1.5 miles off.
On 06/14/13 08:28, Gavin Flower wrote:
> Well, I configured the wireless network prior to get to the installation
> summary with all the spokes in the previous screen, and it correctly got the
> assigned host name & IPv4 address. So I asumed the network was up. Also
> from that point on, I did
On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 12:39 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote:
> On 14/06/13 12:31, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 12:28 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote:
> >
> > > Well, I configured the wireless network prior to get to the
> > > installation summary with all the spokes in the previous scre
On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 12:28 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote:
> >
> Well, I configured the wireless network prior to get to the
> installation summary with all the spokes in the previous screen, and
> it correctly got the assigned host name & IPv4 address. So I asumed
> the network was up. Also from t
On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 12:21 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote:
> >> May I dare suggest that the English-US be put in its natural place? If
> >> it was, then my poor brain/eyesight would not have been confused.
> > It is in its usual place, but the pre-selected language - whatever it is
> > - is taken out
On 14/06/13 11:46, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 11:34 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote:
On 14/06/13 10:54, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 10:33 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote:
I actually live in New Zealand, not the US so I would prefer a different
language for the desktop.
On 06/14/13 08:08, Gavin Flower wrote:
> On 14/06/13 11:08, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> Ahhh There certainly is the option to change... On the"Installation
>> Summary" page there is a "Date & Time" option to change it
>>
>> Anyway, what do you get when you go to this URL (no trailing slashes)
>
On 14/06/13 11:08, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 06/14/13 06:57, Gavin Flower wrote:
On 14/06/13 10:43, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 10:23 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote:
I think it would be a very good idea to be able to systematically check, &
change settings if necessary - so some way of
On 06/14/13 07:14, Gavin Flower wrote:
> I am using TC3, and my network is up.
So, what do you get with
https://geoip.stg.fedoraproject.org/city
or
https://geoip.stg.fedoraproject.org/city?ip=18.0.0.1Where you replace the
IP address with your public IP address.
--
The only thing wo
On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 11:34:10 +1200
Gavin Flower wrote:
> On the software selection spoke, you can select broad categories, but
> you can't pick & chose within those categories.
Yea, even on the old system, I just gave up. I install
minimal to get up and running as fast as possible, then
use yum
On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 11:34 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote:
> On 14/06/13 10:54, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 10:33 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote:
> >> I actually live in New Zealand, not the US so I would prefer a different
> >> language for the desktop. So since I am used to British s
On 14/06/13 10:54, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 10:33 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote:
I actually live in New Zealand, not the US so I would prefer a different
language for the desktop. So since I am used to British spelling. I
would like to be able to set the language for the desktop
On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 11:14 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote:
> If you forget to go into the spoke, it just takes the default.
Well, yeah, of course it does. That's not exactly a disaster; you can
change it any time after install, after all.
> You have to remember to check all the spokes. If you had
On 06/14/13 06:57, Gavin Flower wrote:
> On 14/06/13 10:43, Adam Williamson wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 10:23 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote:
>>>
>>> I think it would be a very good idea to be able to systematically check, &
>>> change settings if necessary - so some way of it systematically pre
On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 10:57 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote:
> On 14/06/13 10:43, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 10:23 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote:
> >
> > > I think it would be a very good idea to be able to systematically
> > > check, & change settings if necessary - so some way of
On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 10:33 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote:
> I actually live in New Zealand, not the US so I would prefer a different
> language for the desktop. So since I am used to British spelling. I
> would like to be able to set the language for the desktop as English-GB.
>
> I think that the
On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 10:23 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote:
> >
> I think it would be a very good idea to be able to systematically
> check, & change settings if necessary - so some way of it
> systematically presenting the spokes would be good (in this aspect,
> the old way was better).
>
> I know I
On Thu, 2013-06-13 at 15:16 -0700, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote:
> With vintage Anaconda installers I was able to select existing
> partitions and give them mount paths without reformatting,
> or use an existing partition for a nre root or swap area.
>
> This doesn't seem possible with the
I actually live in New Zealand, not the US so I would prefer a different
language for the desktop. So since I am used to British spelling. I
would like to be able to set the language for the desktop as English-GB.
I think that the above should be remedied in F19.
///
Changes that
On 06/13/2013 03:23 PM, Gavin Flower wrote:
On 14/06/13 09:40, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote:
On 12.06.2013 09:00, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2013-06-12 at 00:27 -0500, John Morris wrote:
On Mon, 2013-06-10 at 19:09 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
You are 'Done' picking disks, though, and the
With vintage Anaconda installers I was able to select existing
partitions and give them mount paths without reformatting,
or use an existing partition for a nre root or swap area.
This doesn't seem possible with the current Anaconda.
I partially work around the problem by saving fstab entries
ma
On Thu, 2013-06-13 at 23:40 +0200, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote:
> On 12.06.2013 09:00, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Wed, 2013-06-12 at 00:27 -0500, John Morris wrote:
> >> On Mon, 2013-06-10 at 19:09 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >>
> >>> You are 'Done' picking disks, though, and there's a big ch
On 12.06.2013 09:00, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-06-12 at 00:27 -0500, John Morris wrote:
>> On Mon, 2013-06-10 at 19:09 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
>>
>>> You are 'Done' picking disks, though, and there's a big chunk of text on
>>> the screen saying "They will be left untouched until y
On Jun 12, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-06-12 at 06:19 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 19:25:29 -0700
>> Adam Williamson wrote:
>>
>>> It is very useful if you want to be absolutely sure that a given disk
>>> will not be used at all
>>
>> But a opti
On Wed, 2013-06-12 at 12:20 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:09:02 -0700
> Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > > Actually, just calling it "Next" instead of "Done" would help a lot
> > > to provide some hope that you might eventually get to select partitions
> > > :-).
> >
> > Like
On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:09:02 -0700
Adam Williamson wrote:
> > Actually, just calling it "Next" instead of "Done" would help a lot
> > to provide some hope that you might eventually get to select partitions
> > :-).
>
> Like I said, that's exactly what it was labeled before, and people
> didn't
On Wed, 2013-06-12 at 06:19 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 19:25:29 -0700
> Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > It is very useful if you want to be absolutely sure that a given disk
> > will not be used at all
>
> But a option in the tree view to say "Protect this disk from any
> change
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 19:25:29 -0700
Adam Williamson wrote:
> It is very useful if you want to be absolutely sure that a given disk
> will not be used at all
But a option in the tree view to say "Protect this disk from any
changes" would work as well, and also give you the opportunity
to actually i
On Wed, 2013-06-12 at 00:27 -0500, John Morris wrote:
> On Mon, 2013-06-10 at 19:09 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > You are 'Done' picking disks, though, and there's a big chunk of text on
> > the screen saying "They will be left untouched until you click on the
> > main menu's "Begin Installa
On Tue, 2013-06-11 at 06:27 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:09:47 -0700
> Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > "They will be left untouched until you click on the
> > main menu's "Begin Installation" button.
>
> Yea, but then what happens? You still have no idea.
It ought to make it p
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:09:47 -0700
Adam Williamson wrote:
> "They will be left untouched until you click on the
> main menu's "Begin Installation" button.
Yea, but then what happens? You still have no idea.
> we tried two other layouts before this one and
> people found both of those confusing t
On Tue, 2013-06-11 at 08:01 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:43:35 -0700, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote:
>
> > > Quite a lot of people have said they find the current layout a bit
> > > confusing, but then, we tried two other layouts before this one and
> > > people fou
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:43:35 -0700, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote:
> > Quite a lot of people have said they find the current layout a bit
> > confusing, but then, we tried two other layouts before this one and
> > people found both of those confusing too. At this point we are running
> > out
On 06/10/2013 07:09 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Mon, 2013-06-10 at 21:23 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
...I'm still filled with trepidation when the only choice
I appear to have is to click "Done" after selecting a disk
to install on. I'm not "Done" :-). I want to pick partitions
to install on, e
On Mon, 2013-06-10 at 21:23 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> ...I'm still filled with trepidation when the only choice
> I appear to have is to click "Done" after selecting a disk
> to install on. I'm not "Done" :-). I want to pick partitions
> to install on, etc, but there is absolutely no indication
>
...I'm still filled with trepidation when the only choice
I appear to have is to click "Done" after selecting a disk
to install on. I'm not "Done" :-). I want to pick partitions
to install on, etc, but there is absolutely no indication
you will have that chance unless you actually work up the
nerve
On Mon, 2013-03-25 at 09:40 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote:
> Thought would try to do a test install this morning, using boot.iso. I
> got to the installer and started to configure, via graphical mode. When
> I got to the partitioning section, selected the disk, hit done, get a
> menu that shows my c
Thought would try to do a test install this morning, using boot.iso. I
got to the installer and started to configure, via graphical mode. When
I got to the partitioning section, selected the disk, hit done, get a
menu that shows my current partitions, and got stuck. The only
selections I saw was
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