Re: F18 at-spi* deps

2012-10-27 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 16:21:59 +0200 drago01 wrote: >> Stop wasting everyone's time by trying to solve a non existent > problem, thanks. How is it wasting time. Already I have found out that, there was a change beween F17-18. That at-spi is hooked into atk by default. That is new, now if you fee

Re: F18 at-spi* deps

2012-10-27 Thread drago01
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 26/10/12 16:31, Adam Jackson wrote: > If the F18 install I just did is any indication, the state it ships in is as off as it gets. >>> >>> >>> So you agree, it's unneccessary. >> >> >> What a dishonest thing to say. I'd appreciat

Re: F18 at-spi* deps

2012-10-26 Thread Frank Murphy
On 26/10/12 16:31, Adam Jackson wrote: If the F18 install I just did is any indication, the state it ships in is as off as it gets. So you agree, it's unneccessary. What a dishonest thing to say. I'd appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth, thanks. - ajax Is it necessary for me

Re: F18 at-spi* deps

2012-10-26 Thread Adam Jackson
On 10/26/12 3:33 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 25/10/12 22:49, Adam Jackson wrote: On Thu, 2012-10-25 at 22:21 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: I agree, but I don't need it, Wheres the script to turn if off? Everone else has to figure that out themselves. accessibilty.conf has no on=0\false switch. If

Re: F18 at-spi* deps

2012-10-26 Thread Frank Murphy
On 26/10/12 14:59, Richard Ryniker wrote: Frank Murphy wrote on Fri, 26 Oct 2012 08:33:25 +0100: So you agree, it's unneccessary. For me to need at-spi*. Point made. I think the point was at-spi is part of GTK, but this part is not something it is reasonable to package separately, It was p

Re: F18 at-spi* deps

2012-10-26 Thread Richard Ryniker
Frank Murphy wrote on Fri, 26 Oct 2012 08:33:25 +0100: >So you agree, it's unneccessary. >For me to need at-spi*. Point made. I think the point was at-spi is part of GTK, but this part is not something it is reasonable to package separately, such as a language package or some esoteric locale. T

Re: F18 at-spi* deps

2012-10-26 Thread Frank Murphy
On 25/10/12 22:49, Adam Jackson wrote: On Thu, 2012-10-25 at 22:21 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: I agree, but I don't need it, Wheres the script to turn if off? Everone else has to figure that out themselves. accessibilty.conf has no on=0\false switch. If the F18 install I just did is any indica

Re: F18 at-spi* deps

2012-10-25 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2012-10-25 at 22:21 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: > I agree, but I don't need it, > Wheres the script to turn if off? > Everone else has to figure that out themselves. > accessibilty.conf has no on=0\false switch. If the F18 install I just did is any indication, the state it ships in is as o

Re: F18 at-spi* deps

2012-10-25 Thread Frank Murphy
On 25/10/12 21:23, Adam Jackson wrote: On Thu, 2012-10-25 at 20:33 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: On 25/10/12 17:01, Matthias Clasen wrote: at-spi* is not an app though. It is a central piece of desktop infrastructure. Why? Because treating those who do need accessibility as second-class citi

Re: F18 at-spi* deps

2012-10-25 Thread Frank Murphy
On 25/10/12 15:45, tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like gtk3 depends on something provided by at-spi-* and a lot of stuff needs gtk3 :) Tim Yeah, I'll work through those and see what I can dump. Might be a good learning experience. -- Regards, Frank "Jack of all, fubars" -- test maili

Re: F18 at-spi* deps

2012-10-25 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2012-10-25 at 20:33 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 25/10/12 17:01, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > > at-spi* is not an app though. It is a central piece of desktop > > infrastructure. > > > > Why? Because treating those who do need accessibility as second-class citizens means they inevitabl

Re: F18 at-spi* deps

2012-10-25 Thread Frank Murphy
On 25/10/12 17:01, Matthias Clasen wrote: at-spi* is not an app though. It is a central piece of desktop infrastructure. Why?, thankfully, I do not need accessability. So I need to remove the desktop. Job done. -- Regards, Frank "Jack of all, fubars" -- test mailing list test@lists.fedorapro

Re: F18 at-spi* deps

2012-10-25 Thread Matthias Clasen
- Original Message - > On 25/10/12 16:24, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > > Its not optional anymore. > > > > Lets take a step back - why do you want to remove it ? > > The same reason I remove all other apps, I don't use. > Which is I don't use them. at-spi* is not an app though. It is a c

Re: F18 at-spi* deps

2012-10-25 Thread Frank Murphy
On 25/10/12 16:24, Matthias Clasen wrote: Its not optional anymore. Lets take a step back - why do you want to remove it ? The same reason I remove all other apps, I don't use. Which is I don't use them. -- Regards, Frank "Jack of all, fubars" -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.or

Re: F18 at-spi* deps

2012-10-25 Thread Matthias Clasen
- Original Message - > On 25/10/12 15:33, Sandro Mani wrote: > > I guess that would be because of > > https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointFive/Features/AccessibilityOnByDefault > > How do I get rid of it. > or at least disable it, in a way that doesn't disable the box. > Aside from rpm -e -

Re: F18 at-spi* deps

2012-10-25 Thread Sandro Mani
Since the gtk3 configure.ac lists a hard dependency on atk, I guess you can't (unless you can rid the system of gtk3) On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 25/10/12 15:33, Sandro Mani wrote: >> >> I guess that would be because of >> https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointFive/Featu

Re: F18 at-spi* deps

2012-10-25 Thread tim.laurid...@gmail.com
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: > Why does at-spi(-atk, -core) > want to pull out 80+ pkgs from my F18. > > In F16\17 they only removed themselves. > (at-spi, at-spi-core) > > -- > Regards, > Frank > "Jack of all, fubars" > -- > test mailing list > test@lists.fedoraproject.o

Re: F18 at-spi* deps

2012-10-25 Thread Frank Murphy
On 25/10/12 15:33, Sandro Mani wrote: I guess that would be because of https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointFive/Features/AccessibilityOnByDefault How do I get rid of it. or at least disable it, in a way that doesn't disable the box. Aside from rpm -e --nodeps, reluctance on my part. -- Regards,

Re: F18 at-spi* deps

2012-10-25 Thread Sandro Mani
I guess that would be because of https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointFive/Features/AccessibilityOnByDefault On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > Why does at-spi(-atk, -core) > want to pull out 80+ pkgs from my F18. > > In F16\17 they only removed themselves. > (at-spi, at-spi-core)

F18 at-spi* deps

2012-10-25 Thread Frank Murphy
Why does at-spi(-atk, -core) want to pull out 80+ pkgs from my F18. In F16\17 they only removed themselves. (at-spi, at-spi-core) -- Regards, Frank "Jack of all, fubars" -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test