Re: F15 and GNOME 3

2011-04-05 Thread Steven Stern
On 04/05/2011 07:11 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 04/05/2011 04:33 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: >> On 04/05/2011 08:15 AM, JB wrote: > >> >> No you are actually wrong here Gnome design and any other *DE or spin >> design flaws or praises should be mentioned on their relevant list >> within

Re: F15 and GNOME 3

2011-04-05 Thread Genes MailLists
On 04/05/2011 11:43 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 08:11 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote: > >> It would be appropriate to discuss here which DE fedora should using ... > > Not 'here' as in test list, really, no: it would probably make more > sense on -devel, or the board publ

Re: F15 and GNOME 3

2011-04-05 Thread JB
Adam Williamson redhat.com> writes: > ... I opened a can of worms on GNOME Shell dev list and have a hard time keeping up with the traffic, Let's see what comes out of there. JB -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinf

Re: F15 and GNOME 3

2011-04-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 08:15 +, JB wrote: > > I'm sorry to have to explain this, but your mails are completely off > > topic for this list, which is about testing - as in assuring the > > functionality of - Fedora. It is not about the design of upstream > > components of Fedora releases. The ap

Re: F15 and GNOME 3

2011-04-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 08:11 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote: > It would be appropriate to discuss here which DE fedora should using > ... and in so doing comparative benefits and drawbacks to help decide. > Fedora is not (I assume wedded to gnome - its goal is to be the best ... > so if Gnome 3 doe

Re: F15 and GNOME 3

2011-04-05 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/05/2011 09:01 PM, JB wrote: > > "... > Before we ask non-technical business end users to get lost and write some > extensions to fix problems GNOME 3 delivered to them, there is still a hope > that GNOME devs fix the menu systems themselves. > It can be done by anchoring back the new GNOME 3

Re: F15 and GNOME 3

2011-04-05 Thread JB
Rahul Sundaram gmail.com> writes: > ... > FWIW, I don't think it is a "obvious screwup". It is a different > design which some users would like and others wouldn't and telling > upstream to go ahead and completely scratch it out and go back to 2.x > menu is not going to go down well especially

Re: F15 and GNOME 3

2011-04-05 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/05/2011 06:36 PM, JB wrote: > > But I did not expect the obvious screwup with the menu system - you would > think > it would be impossible from a bunch of devs who delivered by now a mature > DE like GNOME 2). > I hope they reflect and change that part - it should be easy and not affecting >

Re: F15 and GNOME 3

2011-04-05 Thread JB
Genes MailLists sapience.com> writes: > ... > [JB gnome 2 is dead - so please stop asking for it here .. its not an > option - fedora follows gnome - and the current version is 3 or will be > soon - if you have a beef with 2 versus 3, adam and johann are righ - > take it to gnome dev] I have

Re: F15 and GNOME 3

2011-04-05 Thread Genes MailLists
On 04/05/2011 04:33 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 04/05/2011 08:15 AM, JB wrote: > > No you are actually wrong here Gnome design and any other *DE or spin > design flaws or praises should be mentioned on their relevant list > within the project or upstream where all the relevant develop

Re: F15 and GNOME 3

2011-04-05 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/05/2011 08:15 AM, JB wrote: Fedora, by including GNOME 3 (or any other distro component) in its test release, is effectively*endorsing* it and expecting a feedback from users. So, Fedora test list is the right place to talk about it (yes, in addition to specific component's list as well)

Re: F15 and GNOME 3

2011-04-05 Thread JB
Adam Williamson redhat.com> writes: > > On Mon, 2011-04-04 at 13:55 +, JB wrote: > > JB gmail.com> writes: > > > > > ... > > > > The business desktop end users are already puzzled when they see you coming > > to work on roller skates and singing "La La La" > > I'm sorry to have to expla

Re: F15 and GNOME 3

2011-04-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2011-04-04 at 13:55 +, JB wrote: > JB gmail.com> writes: > > > ... > > The business desktop end users are already puzzled when they see you coming > to work on roller skates and singing "La La La" :-) I'm sorry to have to explain this, but your mails are completely off topic for thi

Re: F15 and GNOME 3

2011-04-04 Thread JB
JB gmail.com> writes: > ... The business desktop end users are already puzzled when they see you coming to work on roller skates and singing "La La La" :-) What happens when they see your "find and catch me if you can" GNOME 3 menus ? Either go back to GNOME-2-type menus, or *at least* offer i

F15 and GNOME 3

2011-04-03 Thread JB
Hi, Regarding F15 and GNOME 3. I just installed F15 with GNOME 3 out of curiosity, after reading so many comments for and against. The first impression I have is that the system is very responsive - I assume thanks to kernel-2.6.38's group scheduling, but it could be the new underlying GN