On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 08:59, Leslie S Satenstein wrote:
> which by the way is not removable or moveable
>
Use ALT-click to modify panel applets in fallback mode.
(By the way, your use of for the body of the email made it extremely
difficult to trim the quoted text of your email. Please don't d
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 14:18, Pasha R wrote:
> So, lets tackle the screensaver issue again. As I understand from
> your answer there are currently no plans to return screensavers other
> than blank screen - it is not a temporary matter of lack of resources.
> I would like to see this decision re
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:42, John Dulaney wrote:
>>Yes, we use the exact same applet in GNOME 3 Fallback Mode
>>so we have an interest in its continued maintenance for the foreseesble
>> future.
> Indeed. Maybe that's how I got it, from testing fallback? Anyway, it
> still has all the function
On May 31, 2011 12:32 PM, "John Dulaney" wrote:
> So, what I use is 'nm-applet'. For some reason, it is
> still there in /usr/bin (not that I'm complaining). It works fine
standing alone without
> any other Gnome components loaded. Since it was included in my clean F15
install,
> I assume that
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:07, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> On 05/31/2011 12:05 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
>> How can you expect anyone to have a productive discussion with you
>> when the starting point is absurd hyperbole?
..
> you are
> replying to the wrong thread.
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:46, Pasha R wrote:
> it looks like
> this car has gas and brake pedals swapped and steering wheel is
> nowhere to be found..
How can you expect anyone to have a productive discussion with you
when the starting point is absurd hyperbole?
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On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:15, Adam Williamson wrote:
> You also seem
> to be forgetting that he *did* have a specific concern which you haven't
> addressed: he asked why the screensaver functionality had been removed
> and you refused to answer because you didn't like his tone.
I am not here to
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 09:37, Pasha R wrote:
> Yes, I am. Some people suddenly force me to either change distribution
> or to lose access to many functions I found useful and essential, and
> access to this functionality were one of the reasons for me to use
> linux/fedora instead of other OS/dis
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 22:21, Scott Doty wrote:
> Alas, this turns out not to be the case. My Gnome 2 panel has extensive
> customizations, none of which appear in Gnome 3...fallback mode or
> otherwise.
You're replying to a thread about NetworkManager. Please start another
thread if you want t
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 01:45, Pasha R wrote:
> Care to explain the logic behind this? Because it is really beyond my
> understanding.
No, I don't. Your attitude is too antagonistic.
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On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 17:54, Tom Horsley wrote:
> I have occasionally wanted the ability to make some bit
> of hardware on my system disappear. Don't want linux to
> fool with it at all (but don't want to take it apart
> and yank the board either :-).
>
> Can I use systemctl to do this? Essentia
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 05:29, Pasha R wrote:
> Probably, inability to configure your screensaver is much more
> noticeable than inability to stop copy operation. :)
Now *that* is intentional.
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On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 01:24, Pasha R wrote:
> why Fedora maintainers decide to replace functional software by
> software that lacks many essential features or even replace existing
It's already been explained to you that it hasn't been replaced. The
old and new interfaces are co-deployed intent
On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 14:09, Pasha R wrote:
> Well, unfortunately, my internet provider (and all other internet
> providers in my country) require me to use PPPoE to connect to
> internet. And, for some unknown reason (probably something like "I
> don't need it, so no one else does, too" logic)
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 10:58, JB wrote:
> FYI:
>
> GNOME Discusses Becoming a Linux-only Project
> http://www.osnews.com/story/24762/GNOME_Discusses_Becoming_a_Linux-only_Project
> read the comments below the article !
>
> There are actually two developments (proposals):
> - proposal for systemd
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 21:51, Steven Stern
wrote:
> I ran pre-upgrade this afternoon on my F14 system. Now, when booting
> it goes through the boot process. I can see it start the last thing in
> the init list, (Started Display Manager) the screen flashes a few
> times, then nothing. If I ALT-F2
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 17:37, Tom Horsley wrote:
> So I keep reading that "mutter" is the window manager in
> gnome-shell, but there is nothing named "mutter" running
> when I do a ps command in my gnome-shell session, there
> is, however, and program calling itself gnome-shell
> running. What's
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 14:19, wrote:
> I know. I have been through this before. There is a reason the Greeks
> considered Hubris a sin against the Gods.
Please refrain from insults.
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On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:55, wrote:
> The networking came up as IPv6 *only*. My router does not do IPv6 and my
> ISP (Qwest) does not know when their network ever will. In order to get it
> to work I had to hack files in /etc/sysconfig and use dhclient to get an
> address since the Network Mana
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:52, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> So I went to boot my rawhide system
You're sending this question to the wrong list. This list is for
people testing the F15 release so you're almost certainly not going to
run in to someone having a problem with rawhide if indeed there is
su
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 11:27, John Morris wrote:
> Jeeze people, just how much 3d grunt do you really need for a fricking
> desktop?
Mutter performs the same as or better than Compiz on the same hardware
so your assertion is invalid.
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On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 19:31, Richard England wrote:
> On 05/08/2011 05:22 PM, Richard England wrote:
> > After discovering I needed "tweak tool" (gnome-tweak-tool*rpm) to make
> > the window shade (aka shade mode) work I discovered that when a windows
> > is "shaeded" the titlebar information dis
On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 20:00, Richard England wrote:
> On 05/08/2011 02:31 AM, Ron Yorston wrote:
> > I've written a few extensions to make the GNOME Shell user experience a
> > bit more like that of GNOME 2.
> >
> > Move the clock towards the right of the panel;
> >
> > Place launchers fo
On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 21:05, Leslie S Satenstein wrote:
> In non fall back mode, one cannot put favourites launchers in the panel.
> They go on the side, which consumes a lot of real-estate.
> In the graphics-off mode, the panel is activated, but once a launcher is
> copied to it, the launcher ca
On May 8, 2011 12:21 PM, "cornel panceac" wrote:
> most of the problems i had with intel i also had with nouveau. what's the
next driver to be blacklisted, i wonder?
The 8xx blacklist was a *hardware* blacklist, not a driver. The hardware is
not capable of running any composted desktop correctly.
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 11:19, Leslie S Satenstein wrote:
> I dragged to the taskbar, the system update command, when I really wanted
> to drag the solitaire application. Then I dragged solitaire there again and
> it is there twice (2nd time was accident).
>
Alt-right-click instead of just right-c
It's already fixed in accountsservice -5.
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 17:18, Tom Horsley wrote:
> I was testing some stuff today on a live USB stick of
> fedora 15 beta x86_64 (with a persistent overlay),
> and I installed updated to make sure I had the latest
> stuff and wasn't seeing bugs from old
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 14:10, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> Exactly that ought not happen. Instead, Rawhide would typically move ahead
> of the F-15 branch due to packagers dropping even newer stuff into
> Rawhide [1], and then updates to F-15 branched no longer inherit from
> Rawhide. Plus, _that_
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 13:15, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> I am seeing the same thing you are (on F15), so I don't think it is a
> rawhide
> only issue. If you find a solution I'd like to hear about it.
>
> I can't change the preferences from the desktop. The launchers I had have
> disappeared so I
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:52, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> One wonders...what is rawhide for if we're not supposed to run it?
>
I'm not a Fedora packager but I do read these mailing lists consistently and
it's pretty clear from discussion in the past few weeks that the situation
is--essentially--th
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:09, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> Up until now, the fallback mode has preserved (to an approximation) my
> older panel setup - a single panel, not full width, on the bottom. Today
> all that's gone; now I have two panels. My launchers are gone, as is a
> fair amount of my
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 13:12, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 12:21, Per Bothner wrote:
>
>> On 04/20/2011 10:00 AM, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
>> > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:14, Per Bothner > > <mailto:p...@bothner.com>> wrote:
>> >
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 12:21, Per Bothner wrote:
> On 04/20/2011 10:00 AM, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:14, Per Bothner > <mailto:p...@bothner.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I did try hard to get a laptop with just integrated graphics, but
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:14, Per Bothner wrote:
> I did try hard to get a laptop with just integrated graphics, but they're
> very hard to find, especially once you get to mid/upper-end with i7
> quad-core
> Sandy Bridge. Most of them have nvidia/optimus. A few have ATI, which
> would
> of co
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 14:06, Antonio Olivares wrote:
> I have happily run Gnome 3 on several machines three x86_64 ones, and on
> one 64 bit machine I installed i686 version and it was running great till
> today. Only gkrellm shows up when starting. How can I get it back?
>
You haven't provid
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:58, Steven Stern
wrote:
> How do I get gnote to start automatically and display an icon somewhere?
> I've come to rely on it.
>
$ ln -s /usr/share/applications/gnote.desktop ~/.config/autostart/
Freedesktop standard. Works with any DE.
or run gnome-session-properties.
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 01:05, Joachim Backes
wrote:
> Hi Michael, I'm sorry, but there is no user menu at the right side of the
> panel. Only Applications and Places menu at the panel's left side.
This will fix it:
gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel
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On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 15:03, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
> The field in the upper panel that contains date and time has black
> background
> and so is the text. When I move the mouse over the field the background
> changes
> to white and the text becomes legible.
>
> It's F15, fully upgraded and insta
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 14:51, James Ralston
wrote:
> /usr/bin/sawfish as my window manager, instead of
> /usr/bin/gnome-shell?
gnome-shell is the WM, the panel provider and the notification daemon
so you need all three to replace it. That means you need Fallback
Mode. Sawfish is not up to the ta
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 16:05, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> Found it. The root cause is that I was unable to open /dev/dri/card0. In
> the end, every system management problem in existence can be diagnosed with
> strace... I added myself to the "video" group and everything is happy now.
>
> I have
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:34, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> failed to create drawable
> Window manager error: Unable to initialize Clutter.
>
> As far as I can tell, my kernel configuration is the same as Fedora's for
> the relevant options - i915, KMS by default, etc. But the Fedora kernel
> works,
Font size -> a11y
Background -> dedicated applet
Theme: there aren't any other themes yet to choose from
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 17:42, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
> Where has the gnome appearance dialog gone in fedora 15?
>
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On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 01:53, Kamil Paral wrote:
> - Original Message -
> > Hey, all. Can anyone who was hit by the bug of GNOME failing to run
> > unless they removed at-spi2* please test this update?
> >
> >
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/gsettings-desktop-schemas-0.1.7-2.fc1
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 19:29, Adam Williamson wrote:
> Hey, all. Can anyone who was hit by the bug of GNOME failing to run
> unless they removed at-spi2* please test this update?
>
>
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/gsettings-desktop-schemas-0.1.7-2.fc15
>
> for me, it fixes the issue.
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 23:03, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 12:50 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 09:54:50 -0800,
> > Rob Healey wrote:
> > >
> > > I must ask again, please, is fc15 updates-testing gnome*2.91.90* or
> rawhide/
> > > fc16 stable enoug
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 21:48, Steven Haigh wrote:
> I think the bit that bugs me the most about gnome-shell is that if
> applications have a long title, you can't tell what the apps is. ie
> LibreOffice... by however many icons. I have to know what the icon
> colour is for what app I want to
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 20:49, Jonathan Kamens wrote:
> Grow up and act like adults, please. All of you. On both sides of the
> issue.
>
Condescending, patronizing tone is not welcome.
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On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 19:55, Andy Lawrence wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Jason D. Clinton
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> It will be considered "ready" without widgets.
>>
>>
> Without widgets,
>
No, without applets and without a new
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 20:29, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Jason D. Clinton said:
> > Patches welcome. Alternatively, you could pay someone to write it who
> > already isn't spending every spare, waking moment working on getting
> GNOME 3
> > ready.
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 18:22, Mike Chambers wrote:
> Pretty half baked if ask me. There is no "include it at a later date,
> or next release" option, as that is just trying to get something out the
> door but not include anything else. If applets are going away, no
> problem, then include the
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 17:49, Mike Chambers wrote:
> Soo, where is the weather applet, and others that I might want to view?
> Or where/how do I add a applet type thing so weather is viewable at
> least on the desktop or something and seen rather easily?
>
As has been discussed to death all ove
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 05:28, Massimo Gengarelli wrote:
> I'd like to know if someone else is experiencing this bug too or if I
> mismatched something somewhere.
>
Same here.
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On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 08:52, drago01 wrote:
> No real reason, hence fixed upstream:
> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/commit/?id=7ddf54c4d
>
Please do not land any more UI changes without release team and doc team
approval. It would be nice if you involved marketing team too but this h
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 08:26, Ian Pilcher wrote:
> Is anyone able to run a SPICE guest with qemu-kvm 0.14.0?
>
> qemu-kvm-0.14.0-0.1.201102107aa8c46.fc15.x86_64 crashes hard (see
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=677169). I'd expect a bit
> more screaming if everyone was seeing this,
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:01, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Rahul Sundaram (methe...@gmail.com) said:
> > > But it doesn't make any sense. gnome-panel does *not* require
> > > gnome-shell. We really shouldn't just go around abusing dependencies to
> > > make upgrades 'work', even if it is convenient.
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 14:32, Peter Robinson wrote:
> Well you'd want to be able to exclude it as well and adding it as an
> artificial dep to something like gnome-session won't allow it to be
> removed.
>
GNOME Shell is the shell of GNOME 3 and thus depending on the GNOME Shell
from the gnome-
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 09:58, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote:
> The startup applications menu selection has gone away also...so how do
> we start nautilus when gnome is loaded? Used to be able to put a
> startup cmd in the startup apps dialogue.
>
http://specifications.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/au
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