On 12/16/2013 11:38 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
I'm still scratching my head over the other applications not
saving/restoring correctly, but xfce4-terminal at least is fixed in an
update I just pushed.
Thanks for taking care about this issue.
Testing and karma welcome:
https://admin.fedoraproject.
On Dec 16, 2013, at 6:33 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> Actually - it'd basically just be the 'guided installation' table from
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Adamwill/Draft_storage_matrix#Guided_installationwithout
> all the other bits, basically.
I basically get this. I expect there'll b
On Dec 16, 2013 1:23 PM, "Adam Williamson" wrote:
>
> Hi, folks. So this one keeps popping up for individual people, and we
> keep doing a quick band-aid when anyone needs group membership...but we
> may as well just bite the bullet and do it properly.
>
> Fedora QA has always been pretty informal
> So I'm proposing we do something simple: let's just go ahead and stick
> everyone who can reasonably be considered a 'QA team member' in the > > FAS
> 'qa' group. This wouldn't be hard to do, I can make sure sufficient
> people within and outside RH have moderator status in the qa group, and
> th
Ahoy,
So, I am with Adam on this one (I'm not a mod?). I've been +1 for this
idea for quite some time now.
Johann, I've been around for a long time, even longer than Adam, and I don't
remember the original purpose for the QA group; I do vaguely recall James
Laska telling me it had some purpose o
Thank you for the summary Bob. I was necessary.
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 20:12 -0500, Bob Lightfoot wrote:
> Let me make sure I have this correct. {I had to read 20+ emails to
> condense it, I may have missed something}
>
> PROBLEM STATEMENT: There exists and will continue to exist persons who
> par
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 14:13 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> I meant to write this test case anyhow, but today's brown paper bag bug
> - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1040669 - gives
> it a certain sense of importance, so I thought I'd best get it done now.
>
> I wrote
> http
On 12/16/2013 04:38 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
I'm still scratching my head over the other applications not
saving/restoring correctly, but xfce4-terminal at least is fixed in an
update I just pushed.
Testing and karma welcome:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/xfce4-terminal-0.6.2-3.fc19
htt
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 20:12 -0500, Bob Lightfoot wrote:
> Let me make sure I have this correct. {I had to read 20+ emails to
> condense it, I may have missed something}
>
> PROBLEM STATEMENT: There exists and will continue to exist persons who
> participate in and assist the QA process in quantifi
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Let me make sure I have this correct. {I had to read 20+ emails to
condense it, I may have missed something}
PROBLEM STATEMENT: There exists and will continue to exist persons who
participate in and assist the QA process in quantifiable ways. These
p
On Sun, 2013-12-15 at 20:18 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> Hi, folks. So I've had this on my todo list for the last three weeks
> (oops...):
>
> "adamw to draft a new test case and matrix row for validating cloud
> image checksums"
>
> So I finally got around to doing it. Looking at how to integ
The following Fedora 19 Security updates need testing:
Age URL
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https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-17836/davfs2-1.4.7-3.fc19
59
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-19262/quassel-0.9.1-1.fc19
51
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-1996
The following Fedora 18 Security updates need testing:
Age URL
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https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-6117/eucalyptus-3.2.2-1.fc18
87
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-17195/spice-gtk-0.18-3.fc18
81
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 22:33 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On mán 16.des 2013 22:12, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > What, in your estimation, would be the right place? Instead of just
> > saying 'no', can you provide an alternative solution to the problem?
>
> Solution to fix this lies not wi
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 22:26 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On mán 16.des 2013 22:22, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > If you mean "Then limit that group entirely with providing him and
> > others with that." - well, that's already what we'd be doing. The
> > proposal isn't to make the QA group r
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> The game is to treat QA volunteers like other contributors.
> That way they don't have to also become packagers (or
> something else) in order to participate in Fedora Elections
> or make use of resources limited to people who are in more
> than ju
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 22:33:05 +
"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>
> On mán 16.des 2013 22:12, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > What, in your estimation, would be the right place? Instead of just
> > saying 'no', can you provide an alternative solution to the problem?
>
> Solution to fix this lies n
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 22:26:08 +
"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>
> On mán 16.des 2013 22:22, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > If you mean "Then limit that group entirely with providing him and
> > others with that." - well, that's already what we'd be doing. The
> > proposal isn't to make the QA gr
On 12/16/2013 04:06 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 21:57:41 +,
The game is to treat QA volunteers like other contributors. That way
they don't have to also become packagers (or something else) in order to
participate in Fedora Elections or make use of resources limited
I'm still scratching my head over the other applications not
saving/restoring correctly, but xfce4-terminal at least is fixed in an
update I just pushed.
Testing and karma welcome:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/xfce4-terminal-0.6.2-3.fc19
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/xfce4-
On mán 16.des 2013 22:12, Adam Williamson wrote:
What, in your estimation, would be the right place? Instead of just
saying 'no', can you provide an alternative solution to the problem?
Solution to fix this lies not within in us ( QA ) the alternative
solution requires a real change in the pr
On mán 16.des 2013 22:22, Adam Williamson wrote:
If you mean "Then limit that group entirely with providing him and
others with that." - well, that's already what we'd be doing. The
proposal isn't to make the QA group required for anything at all in
relation to QA. The proposal is just to add al
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 22:16 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On mán 16.des 2013 22:10, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > I'm not playing any game...in fact, the thing that prompted me to
> > finally write this email was Dan asking on #fedora-qa if there was a FAS
> > group we could put him in so he
On mán 16.des 2013 22:10, Adam Williamson wrote:
I'm not playing any game...in fact, the thing that prompted me to
finally write this email was Dan asking on #fedora-qa if there was a FAS
group we could put him in so he'd have fedorapeople space!
The limit that group entirely with providing hi
On mán 16.des 2013 22:08, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 22:06:44 +,
"\"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\"" wrote:
Adam is right about what's wrong but as so often he's trying to fix
it in the wrong place...
Access to those reources are controlled by group membership. So we
eit
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 22:06 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On mán 16.des 2013 21:45, Mike Ruckman wrote:
> > For those of us who haven't been with QA for even a year yet, can you
> > give a brief "too long; didn't read" synopsis of your reasoning and
> > where it stems from? Without some f
On Dec 16, 2013, at 3:06 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>
> On mán 16.des 2013 21:45, Mike Ruckman wrote:
>> For those of us who haven't been with QA for even a year yet, can you
>> give a brief "too long; didn't read" synopsis of your reasoning and
>> where it stems from? Without some form
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 21:57 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On mán 16.des 2013 21:48, Dan Mossor wrote:
> > I may be misinterpreting, but what do you have against volunteers?
> > Especially since Fedora is a volunteer-driven project?
>
> Dont fall into whatever game Adam is playing by revi
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 22:06:44 +,
"\"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\"" wrote:
Adam is right about what's wrong but as so often he's trying to fix
it in the wrong place...
Access to those reources are controlled by group membership. So we either
add people to a group or get the people respons
On mán 16.des 2013 21:45, Mike Ruckman wrote:
For those of us who haven't been with QA for even a year yet, can you
give a brief "too long; didn't read" synopsis of your reasoning and
where it stems from? Without some form of background it's hard to infer
what your reasoning is.
You can look a
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 21:57:41 +,
"\"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\"" wrote:
On mán 16.des 2013 21:48, Dan Mossor wrote:
I may be misinterpreting, but what do you have against volunteers?
Especially since Fedora is a volunteer-driven project?
Dont fall into whatever game Adam is playing by r
On Dec 16, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 14:09 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> On Dec 16, 2013, at 1:47 PM, nonamedotc wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/11/2013 06:57 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Ankur Sinha wrote:
> On Wed, 2013
On mán 16.des 2013 21:48, Dan Mossor wrote:
I may be misinterpreting, but what do you have against volunteers?
Especially since Fedora is a volunteer-driven project?
Dont fall into whatever game Adam is playing by reviving this group.
JBG
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On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 14:09 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Dec 16, 2013, at 1:47 PM, nonamedotc wrote:
>
> > On 12/11/2013 06:57 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> >>
> >> On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Ankur Sinha wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, 2013-12-11 at 17:25 -0600, nonamedotc wrote:
>
> Is
On 12/16/2013 03:35 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>
> On mán 16.des 2013 21:00, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> Even though we don't really have a lot of use for the FAS group,
>
> None what so ever.
>
>> Fedora
>> as a whole is set up such that 'being a member of a FAS group' is a bar
>> to
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:35:56 +
"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>
> On mán 16.des 2013 21:00, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > Even though we don't really have a lot of use for the FAS group,
>
> None what so ever.
>
> > Fedora
> > as a whole is set up such that 'being a member of a FAS group' i
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 21:35 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On mán 16.des 2013 21:00, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > Even though we don't really have a lot of use for the FAS group,
>
> None what so ever.
Actually, there is one, I forgot to mention it: we can have 'qa' inherit
'fedorabugs', w
On mán 16.des 2013 21:00, Adam Williamson wrote:
Even though we don't really have a lot of use for the FAS group,
None what so ever.
Fedora
as a whole is set up such that 'being a member of a FAS group' is a bar
to entry for some things,
Not with us and never should be.
so it seems lik
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:23:32 -0800
Adam Williamson wrote:
> So I'm proposing we do something simple: let's just go ahead and stick
> everyone who can reasonably be considered a 'QA team member' in the
> FAS 'qa' group. This wouldn't be hard to do, I can make sure
> sufficient people within and ou
On 12/16/2013 03:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Dec 16, 2013, at 1:47 PM, nonamedotc wrote:
I might be **misunderstanding** - but with the kernel-3.12.5-301, the suspend
issue seems to be gone (in my tests - 3 repetitions).
Suspend *seems to work* without issues - Is this the case across
On Dec 16, 2013, at 1:47 PM, nonamedotc wrote:
> On 12/11/2013 06:57 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Ankur Sinha wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 2013-12-11 at 17:25 -0600, nonamedotc wrote:
Is anyone still seeing this? Just curious as I have also been seeing
t
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 20:40 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On mán 16.des 2013 20:23, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >
> > How does that sound? Seems like something we can just get done already.
> >
>
> It sounds like a bad plan revoke the QA group previously occupied and
> manage by RH staff o
On mán 16.des 2013 20:32, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 12:23 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
>Right now me, James Laska, Will Woods and Jesse Keating are the admins
>of the QA group. This is obviously a bit silly. I'll drop jlaska's,
>wwoods' and jesses' admin roles, and make som
On 12/11/2013 06:57 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Ankur Sinha wrote:
On Wed, 2013-12-11 at 17:25 -0600, nonamedotc wrote:
Is anyone still seeing this? Just curious as I have also been seeing
this ...
I am. I can't reproduce it reliably though. It happens randomly he
On mán 16.des 2013 20:23, Adam Williamson wrote:
How does that sound? Seems like something we can just get done already.
It sounds like a bad plan revoke the QA group previously occupied and
manage by RH staff only and I'm strongly against that.
So why are you planning to revert what we a
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 12:23 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> Right now me, James Laska, Will Woods and Jesse Keating are the admins
> of the QA group. This is obviously a bit silly. I'll drop jlaska's,
> wwoods' and jesses' admin roles, and make some more appropriate people
> admins and moderators
Hi, folks. So this one keeps popping up for individual people, and we
keep doing a quick band-aid when anyone needs group membership...but we
may as well just bite the bullet and do it properly.
Fedora QA has always been pretty informally organized, we've generally
not wanted to build a big heavy
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 11:42 -0600, Dan Mossor wrote:
> I submitted myself for torture as a QA tester just last month, as I have
> years of experience in both Linux and testing (for reference, do some
> research on the USAF 346th Testing Squadron).
>
> I jumped in with a lot of enthusiasm for the p
Last evening I performed a fresh net install on omen.com.
The machine uses an i5-3550 CPU @ 3.30GHz with 32GB RAM.
For the installation I chose Xfce desktop, no Gnome or KDE.
I was able to install the stuff I use without a groupinstall.
The machine uses the on chip Intel display. Switching betwe
I submitted myself for torture as a QA tester just last month, as I have
years of experience in both Linux and testing (for reference, do some
research on the USAF 346th Testing Squadron).
I jumped in with a lot of enthusiasm for the project, after having
carefully evaluated all (most) of the majo
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On 12/14/2013 01:49 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 15:49 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> On Dec 13, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>>
>>> I meant to write this test case anyhow, but today's brown paper bag bug
>>> - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1
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