The following Fedora 18 Security updates need testing:
Age URL
17 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-13510/xen-4.1.3-3.fc18
6
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-14279/phpldapadmin-1.2.2-3.gitbbedf1.fc18
13
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDOR
You have convinced me, Adam. How much does it contribute to release
quality if excellent test criteria are perfectly validated, but the
documentation the end-user reads says Fedora does something different?
To that user, what he sees is clearly a fault.
QA may not be explicitly requested to vet e
The following Fedora 16 Security updates need testing:
Age URL
6
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-14363/phpldapadmin-1.2.2-3.gitbbedf1.fc16
6
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-14295/moodle-2.1.8-1.fc16
6 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FE
On Mon, 2012-09-24 at 20:13 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> I hereby propose that we default selinux to permissive mode up to final
> which should just get rid of unneeded nuance during testing.
for the record, I'm -1 for the reasons stated later in the thread.
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On Tue, 2012-09-25 at 12:37 +1000, Ankur Sinha wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-09-24 at 14:37 -0400, Martin Holec wrote:
> > 2012-09-25 Nouveau -
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2012-09-25_Nouveau
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I was just looking to start the test for Nouveau. It appears the links
> to the
On Mon, 2012-09-24 at 14:37 -0400, Martin Holec wrote:
> 2012-09-25 Nouveau -
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2012-09-25_Nouveau
Hi folks,
I was just looking to start the test for Nouveau. It appears the links
to the liveCDs aren't functional. Can someone please check them up once?
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On 09/24/2012 04:23 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 09/24/2012 08:16 PM, drago01 wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:13 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
>> wrote:
>>> I hereby propose that we default selinux to permissive mode up to
>>> final whi
On Mon, 2012-09-24 at 18:15 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> Another way to put it...I'd say that interlinking the criteria and the
> installation guide, as you outline it above, has provided us with a
> *benefit*: we have identified an inconsistency between what the
> installation guide reckons is
On Mon, 2012-09-24 at 20:21 -0400, Richard Ryniker wrote:
> >I think we could link to
> >https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading to define
> >'supported/recommendation upgrade mechanism'
>
> OK, but to illustrate the problem with indirect references: the
> "Upgrading" page you cite above says to
On Mon, 2012-09-24 at 17:29 -0700, John Reiser wrote:
> >>> Gnome3 is not putting any effort into fallback mode. So my Radeon 9250
> >>> purchased new in 2006 as a mid-life upgrade for a box with 1.6GHz Pentium
> >>> 4
> >>> (well above the Fedora minimum CPU) also runs only XFCE. Gnome3 forces
>>> Gnome3 is not putting any effort into fallback mode. So my Radeon 9250
>>> purchased new in 2006 as a mid-life upgrade for a box with 1.6GHz Pentium 4
>>> (well above the Fedora minimum CPU) also runs only XFCE. Gnome3 forces
>>> fallback mode, where some Desktop features are *dropped* instea
>I think we could link to
>https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading to define
>'supported/recommendation upgrade mechanism'
OK, but to illustrate the problem with indirect references: the
"Upgrading" page you cite above says to read
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/17/html/Installati
On 09/24/2012 02:59 PM, Adam Jackson wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-09-24 at 13:30 -0700, John Reiser wrote:
>>> Do you have any old or new graphic hardware, working or not? Join this test
>>> week and help us to hunt down driver bugs before Fedora 18 Beta release!
>>
>> There is doubt about whether this p
On 24 September 2012 17:06, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-09-24 at 21:52 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>
>> Do you know if we keep log in our infrastructure that shows how many are
>> actually upgrading on which version they do it from?
>
> I don't know that, no. I don't think we d
On Mon, 2012-09-24 at 21:52 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 09/24/2012 09:43 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > Only 17-18: using the definite article 'the' rather than the indefinite
> > article 'a' implies this. It says 'the previous stable Fedora release' -
> > which strictly means "only
On Mon, 2012-09-24 at 17:59 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-09-24 at 13:30 -0700, John Reiser wrote:
> > > Do you have any old or new graphic hardware, working or not? Join this
> > > test week and help us to hunt down driver bugs before Fedora 18 Beta
> > > release!
> >
> > There is d
On Mon, 2012-09-24 at 13:30 -0700, John Reiser wrote:
> > Do you have any old or new graphic hardware, working or not? Join this test
> > week and help us to hunt down driver bugs before Fedora 18 Beta release!
>
> There is doubt about whether this particular test day is worth the time.
You're f
On 09/24/2012 09:43 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Only 17-18: using the definite article 'the' rather than the indefinite
article 'a' implies this. It says 'the previous stable Fedora release' -
which strictly means "only the single preceding release" - not 'a
previous stable Fedora release' or 'any
On 09/24/2012 09:39 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
Good. I know I'm Mr. Nobody here, but his answer would be definitive.
There is no Mr. Nobody in the QA community ;)
Having selinux in permissive mode ( especially during alpha ) is from my
pov more likely to hinder participation than to incre
On Mon, 2012-09-24 at 20:02 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 09/24/2012 07:54 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 12:34:34PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >> "It must be possible to successfully complete an upgrade from a fully
> >> updated installation of the previous
On Mon, 2012-09-24 at 15:54 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 12:34:34PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > "It must be possible to successfully complete an upgrade from a fully
> > updated installation of the previous stable Fedora release with the
> > 'minimal' package set or
"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> This bug is filed against RHEL in any case just have it in permissive
> mode up to beta should suffice and prevent any RC_N surprises
Jóhann, I didn't blindly post the first bug I found.
I ran into this bug on a Fedora system, which is the only reason I knew
about
On 09/24/2012 09:21 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
Do you have any reference for such bugs that only happen when selinux is
in enforcing mode but not when it is in enforcing mode?
Yes, here is one bug[1] to get you started.
[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_b
"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> Do you have any reference for such bugs that only happen when selinux is
> in enforcing mode but not when it is in enforcing mode?
Yes, here is one bug[1] to get you started.
[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=638511
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On 09/24/2012 08:59 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:31:41 +
"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
The general idea was to increase activity within the QA community and
improve reporting at the same time without having them running around
the whole internet while doings so.
Sure, bu
On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:31:41 +
"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> The general idea was to increase activity within the QA community and
> improve reporting at the same time without having them running around
> the whole internet while doings so.
Sure, but duplicating upstream work seems not
On 09/24/2012 08:25 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:29:39 +
"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
A while back I started the initiative and writing how to debug pages
for QA Community to use and was about to write another when I noticed
when there has been put a big fat banner refer
> Do you have any old or new graphic hardware, working or not? Join this test
> week and help us to hunt down driver bugs before Fedora 18 Beta release!
There is doubt about whether this particular test day is worth the time.
At a minimum, don't bother with any Radeon card that is less than a Ra
On 09/24/2012 08:19 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
drago01 wrote:
This would just mean we test something different then we actually
ship. If there are selinux bugs they are supposed to be cough during
testing and reported like any other bugs.
+1
There are instances of SELinux rules (bug or int
On 09/24/2012 08:16 PM, drago01 wrote:
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:13 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
wrote:
I hereby propose that we default selinux to permissive mode up to final
which should just get rid of unneeded nuance during testing.
-1
This would just mean we test something different then
On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:29:39 +
"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> A while back I started the initiative and writing how to debug pages
> for QA Community to use and was about to write another when I noticed
> when there has been put a big fat banner referring to upstream wiki
> page on it.
>
>
drago01 wrote:
> This would just mean we test something different then we actually
> ship. If there are selinux bugs they are supposed to be cough during
> testing and reported like any other bugs.
+1
There are instances of SELinux rules (bug or intentional) that only
occur under Enforcing. The S
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:13 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
wrote:
> I hereby propose that we default selinux to permissive mode up to final
> which should just get rid of unneeded nuance during testing.
-1
This would just mean we test something different then we actually
ship. If there are selinu
I hereby propose that we default selinux to permissive mode up to final
which should just get rid of unneeded nuance during testing.
JBG
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On 09/24/2012 07:54 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 12:34:34PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
"It must be possible to successfully complete an upgrade from a fully
updated installation of the previous stable Fedora release with the
'minimal' package set or the package set for a
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 12:34:34PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> "It must be possible to successfully complete an upgrade from a fully
> updated installation of the previous stable Fedora release with the
> 'minimal' package set or the package set for a release-blocking desktop,
> using any offic
On 09/24/2012 07:34 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
"It must be possible to successfully complete an upgrade from a fully
updated installation of the previous stable Fedora release with the
'minimal' package set or the package set for a release-blocking desktop,
using any officially recommended upgrad
On Mon, 2012-09-24 at 19:18 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 09/24/2012 05:35 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > It must be possible to successfully complete an upgrade from a clean,
> > fully updated default installation of the previous stable Fedora
> > release, using any officially recomme
A while back I started the initiative and writing how to debug pages for
QA Community to use and was about to write another when I noticed when
there has been put a big fat banner referring to upstream wiki page on it.
So my question here should we continue with this initiative which was
aimed
On 09/24/2012 05:35 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
It must be possible to successfully complete an upgrade from a clean,
fully updated default installation of the previous stable Fedora
release, using any officially recommended upgrade mechanism. The
upgraded system must meet all release criteria.
On Mon, 2012-09-24 at 13:33 -0400, Richard Ryniker wrote:
> >The installer must be able to successfully complete an upgrade
> >installation from a clean, fully updated default installation (from any
> >official install medium) of the previous stable Fedora release via any
> >officially supported up
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On Sep 24, 2012, at 1:02 AM, Zoltan Kota wrote:
> 3. As I didn't want to mess up my partitions completely / to have more
> control, I manipulated my partition table out of the graphical setup.
> I used gdisk in command line from the DVD. I removed my linux root
> partition and created a 1MB Bios
On 09/24/2012 05:20 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
is extremely vague and really gave no one in the project (this affects
all groups, really, not just QA) an understanding that things like 'no
more root password by default' and 'completely different upgrade system'
were coming. Some of that informati
On Mon, 2012-09-24 at 11:03 -0600, Tim Flink wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 18:40:08 +0200
> drago01 wrote:
>
> > > The installer must be able to successfully complete an upgrade
> > > installation from a clean, fully updated default installation (from
> > > any official install medium) of the prev
>The installer must be able to successfully complete an upgrade
>installation from a clean, fully updated default installation (from any
>official install medium) of the previous stable Fedora release via any
>officially supported upgrade mechanism. The upgraded system must meet
>all release criter
On Mon, 2012-09-24 at 17:17 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 09/24/2012 05:05 PM, drago01 wrote:
> > s/any/all/ (in case we happen to support multiple methods).
>
> If we start supporting more then one official way of upgrading the
> distribution then we should be using either or in all
On Mon, 2012-09-24 at 16:56 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 09/24/2012 04:32 PM, Tim Flink wrote:
> > As we aren't sure if preupgrade will continue to be an officially
> > supported upgrade mechanism for F18, I propose to change that criterion
> > such that specific upgrade mechanisms ar
On 09/24/2012 05:05 PM, drago01 wrote:
s/any/all/ (in case we happen to support multiple methods).
If we start supporting more then one official way of upgrading the
distribution then we should be using either or in all release blocking
criteria.
JBG
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On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Tim Flink wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 18:40:08 +0200
> drago01 wrote:
>
>> > The installer must be able to successfully complete an upgrade
>> > installation from a clean, fully updated default installation (from
>> > any official install medium) of the previous
On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 18:40:08 +0200
drago01 wrote:
> > The installer must be able to successfully complete an upgrade
> > installation from a clean, fully updated default installation (from
> > any official install medium) of the previous stable Fedora release,
> > either via preupgrade or by boot
On 09/24/2012 04:32 PM, Tim Flink wrote:
As we aren't sure if preupgrade will continue to be an officially
supported upgrade mechanism for F18, I propose to change that criterion
such that specific upgrade mechanisms are omitted.
Does not QA need sanction what ever upgrade mechanism they are co
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Tim Flink wrote:
> As currently written, the upgrade criterion in the Fedora 18 beta
> release requirements [1] reads:
>
> The installer must be able to successfully complete an upgrade
> installation from a clean, fully updated default installation (from any
> off
As currently written, the upgrade criterion in the Fedora 18 beta
release requirements [1] reads:
The installer must be able to successfully complete an upgrade
installation from a clean, fully updated default installation (from any
official install medium) of the previous stable Fedora release, e
Compose started at Mon Sep 24 08:15:06 UTC 2012
Broken deps for x86_64
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almanah-0.8.0-7.fc18.x86_64 requires libedataserverui-3.0.so.3()(64bit)
almanah-0.8.0-7.fc18.x86_64 requires libedataserver-1.2.so.16()(64bit)
Hi,
> What kind of impression do you think people get when, after
> hearing that Fedora defines itself as bleeding edge
> technology, they are presented with an installer interface
> designed and written more than ten years ago?
and the wheel was invented more than ten *thousand* years ago
is t
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Zoltan Kota wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've tried to follow the discussions related to Fedora and Apple
> hardware in these lists. Some days ago I decided to try to install F17
> on my Macbook Pro. Maybe it is useful to share my experiences.
>
> The initial state was:
> Appl
Hi,
I've tried to follow the discussions related to Fedora and Apple
hardware in these lists. Some days ago I decided to try to install F17
on my Macbook Pro. Maybe it is useful to share my experiences.
The initial state was:
Apple Macbook Pro 3.1, a Triple-boot system with Mac OSX, WindowsXP,
Fe
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