Re: No way to add a new app launcher from Gnome 3.x GUI?

2012-04-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2012-04-19 at 09:07 +0300, cornel panceac wrote: > with a chance this was already mentioned, what's a good place to learn > how to create those .desktop files? If you want to do it by hand, the easiest thing to do is probably just to copy an existing one and modify it to your needs. -- A

Re: No way to add a new app launcher from Gnome 3.x GUI?

2012-04-18 Thread cornel panceac
2012/4/19 John Morris > On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 21:22 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 15:04 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > > > > > I know this doesn´t solve my problem, but I´m outraged. > > > > In general, we expect an application to bring a suitable desktop file so > > it

Fedora 15 updates-testing report

2012-04-18 Thread updates
The following Fedora 15 Security updates need testing: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-5631/phpMyAdmin-3.5.0-1.fc15 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-5805/samba-3.5.14-73.fc15.1 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-5822/gallery3-3

Fedora 16 updates-testing report

2012-04-18 Thread updates
The following Fedora 16 Security updates need testing: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-5624/phpMyAdmin-3.5.0-1.fc16 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-5058/expat-2.1.0-1.fc16 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-5833/python3-3.2.3-1

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2012-04-19 at 03:26 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 21:38 -0400, Ma > > Honestly, I'm not sure there's any difference at all between 'mount on > attach' and 'mount on any attempt to access' from a security POV. http://git.gnome.org/browse/gvfs/commit/?id=e30a67f3215

Re: F17 Beta DVD install options [OT]

2012-04-18 Thread Tommy Pham
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Tommy Pham wrote: > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Tommy Pham wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Felix Miata wrote: >>> On 2012/04/18 09:42 (GMT-0700) Tommy Pham composed: >>> Tried a i386 F17 Beta on an old Dell Optiplex GX280 machine here at >>

Re: F17 Beta DVD install options

2012-04-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 21:19 -0500, John Morris wrote: > On the other hand, has there ever been a real case found in the wild of > an infestation that was so good at covering its tracks? The security > problems I saw in the past were the crudest script kiddies and I haven't > even seen one of thos

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 21:38 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > The arguments are really going downhill here. I'm not overly interested > in wading into this, but I'll just say that whenever we do something > automatically, somebody will get mad. In the past, auto-mounting (and > even just automatical

Re: F17 Beta DVD install options

2012-04-18 Thread John Morris
On Thu, 2012-04-19 at 02:30 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: > > And rpm -Va doesn't > > show anything nasty in the packages that would give an intruder an in. > > If someone's owned the machine, they can make rpm -Va say whatever they > like. Which brings up a good point. I know that the only way

Re: No way to add a new app launcher from Gnome 3.x GUI?

2012-04-18 Thread John Morris
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 21:22 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 15:04 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > > > I know this doesn´t solve my problem, but I´m outraged. > > In general, we expect an application to bring a suitable desktop file so > it is usable after you installed it. T

Re: F17 Beta DVD install options [OT]

2012-04-18 Thread Tommy Pham
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Tommy Pham wrote: > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Felix Miata wrote: >> On 2012/04/18 09:42 (GMT-0700) Tommy Pham composed: >> >>> Tried a i386 F17 Beta on an old Dell Optiplex GX280 machine here at >>> work and works fine.  However my new upgraded home machi

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 16:48 -0400, Jonathan Kamens wrote: > On 04/18/2012 04:45 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > It shows up in the file manager; it's not mounted. > Why not? > > In F16, it was mounted. > > In Windows, it's mounted. > > In Mac OS, it's mounted. > > Why should F17 behave differen

Re: F17 Beta DVD install options

2012-04-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 19:25 -0500, John Morris wrote: > On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 18:13 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > Not all hacks involve the attacker posting some kind of 'HAHA U HAZ BEEN > > HACKED' notice to let you know about it. Those are the _nice_ hackers. > > Well they usually DO some

Re: Hey! Hard disk install of DVD iso works!

2012-04-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 19:12 -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote: > On 04/17/2012 07:02 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 18:13 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > >> (but why is it *always* broken in Alphas? :-). > > > > The clue is in the name ;) > > I disagree. Alphas obviously have bugs, but

Re: No way to add a new app launcher from Gnome 3.x GUI?

2012-04-18 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 15:04 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > I know this doesn´t solve my problem, but I´m outraged. In general, we expect an application to bring a suitable desktop file so it is usable after you installed it. That is even part of the packaging guidelines, last I checked. If the

Re: F17 Beta DVD install options

2012-04-18 Thread John Morris
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 18:13 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: > Not all hacks involve the attacker posting some kind of 'HAHA U HAZ BEEN > HACKED' notice to let you know about it. Those are the _nice_ hackers. Well they usually DO something with a machine they have 0wn3ed. No spam spewing forth, no

Re: Hey! Hard disk install of DVD iso works!

2012-04-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 19:54 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 00:05:42 +0100 > Adam Williamson wrote: > > > If grub2 isn't designed to be chainloaded in that way, it isn't. > > But it is supposed to work. I've already added a pointer to > an upstream bug fixed not too long ago where

Re: Hey! Hard disk install of DVD iso works!

2012-04-18 Thread Ian Pilcher
On 04/17/2012 07:02 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 18:13 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: >> (but why is it *always* broken in Alphas? :-). > > The clue is in the name ;) I disagree. Alphas obviously have bugs, but when the *same* bug (or different bugs with the same symptoms) are p

Re: Hey! Hard disk install of DVD iso works!

2012-04-18 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 00:05:42 +0100 Adam Williamson wrote: > If grub2 isn't designed to be chainloaded in that way, it isn't. But it is supposed to work. I've already added a pointer to an upstream bug fixed not too long ago where blocklist booting was broken and the grub maintainers considered th

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 16:39 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: > On Wed, 18 Apr 2012, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 17:39 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: > >> I've booted F16. > > >> My old-grub stanza: > >> title chainload to sda > >> kernel (hd1,1)/grub2/core.img > >> > >>

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 14:40 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: > > On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 13:10 -0400, Jonathan Kamens wrote: > > > > > Yes, I'm aware of that, but that's not what I want. > > > > > > If it is the position of the Fedora developers that /run

Re: Hey! Hard disk install of DVD iso works!

2012-04-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 13:57 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > > That's still notabug, I think. See my comment. Even if it wasn't, the > > fault isn't anaconda's. > > Then the bug should be moved to grub2, because it sure is a bug. If grub2 isn't designed to be chainloaded in that way, it isn't. Like I

Re: 8 GB USB with DVD: formatted as GPT with 4 GB partition fat /dev/sdb1 2nd 4 GB left,unformatted

2012-04-18 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
I suppose since all that is installed on the /dev/sdb1 LIVE partition is LiveOS - 130.4 MB syslinux - 29.4 MB Properties: 159.9 MB used 5.2 GB free Filesystem type:msdos the /dev/sdb2 LIVE-REPO contains a 2.5 GB .iso file. Properties: 2.5 GB used

Re: Yum upgrade F16 -> F17

2012-04-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 20:34 +0300, Tomi Leppikangas wrote: > > If you want to do a one-step upgrade you could add > > '--enablerepo=updates-testing' to the 'distro-sync' operation. > > Ok this makes sense. So this is "problem" only exists when F17 is in > beta, when released distro-upgrade would

Re: 'alacarte' crashes, and no apparent way to set Start-up apps, but yes, there is, and hidden (Gnome-session-properties)

2012-04-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 14:27 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 13:00, Adam Williamson wrote: > > >> Should I file a bug fix about this? > > > > No, you'd be wasting your time. It's hidden intentionally because it's > > considered deprecated in GNOME 3. The GNOME devs don't li

Re: F17 Beta DVD install options [OT]

2012-04-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 14:17 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 14:00, Felix Miata wrote: > > Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! > > > > Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ > > -- > > Another OS/2 user joins the Fedora Family. I remember you from the > OS/

Re: 8 GB USB with DVD: formatted as GPT with 4 GB partition fat /dev/sdb1 2nd 4 GB left,unformatted

2012-04-18 Thread Eric Blake
On 04/18/2012 03:51 PM, Thomas Gilliard wrote: > I just did a sucessful install to an external USB HD using a USB of > Fedora-17-Beta-x86_64-DVD.iso > -It only used the Install Repo on the DVD(USB) > > ./tools_livecd-iso-to-disk.sh --format --reset-mbr > Fedora-17-Beta-x86_64-DVD.iso /dev/sdb1 >

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread drago01
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Jonathan Kamens wrote: > On 04/18/2012 04:45 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > It shows up in the file manager; it's not mounted. > > Why not? > > In F16, it was mounted. > > In Windows, it's mounted. > > In Mac OS, it's mounted. > > Why should F17 behave differently

8 GB USB with DVD: formatted as GPT with 4 GB partition fat /dev/sdb1 2nd 4 GB left,unformatted

2012-04-18 Thread Thomas Gilliard
I just did a sucessful install to an external USB HD using a USB of Fedora-17-Beta-x86_64-DVD.iso -It only used the Install Repo on the DVD(USB) ./tools_livecd-iso-to-disk.sh --format --reset-mbr Fedora-17-Beta-x86_64-DVD.iso /dev/sdb1 1-)needed an 8GB USB formatted GPT format with /dev/sdb1 f

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-18 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 17:39 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: I've booted F16. My old-grub stanza: title chainload to sda kernel (hd1,1)/grub2/core.img As I didn't expect it to work, I only installed the minimal version. There are a few things

Re: started display manager = hang

2012-04-18 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 16:13, Fernando Cassia wrote: > So, I´d really appreciate if someone more knowledgeable about Xorg snafus > would give me a generic recipe to get my system back to at least vesa mode. > > I guess booting from grub 2.0 in single user mode would be first right? Okay the sile

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Jonathan Kamens
On 04/18/2012 04:45 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > It shows up in the file manager; it's not mounted. Why not? In F16, it was mounted. In Windows, it's mounted. In Mac OS, it's mounted. Why should F17 behave differently from F17 and from every other mainstream OS people are familiar with? What i

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Bill Nottingham
Richard Ryniker (ryni...@alum.mit.edu) said: > >If I plug it in while I'm logged in, it shows up. I log out and log back in, > >and it still shows up. > > >If I reboot, plug it in during GDM, and then log in... it shows up. Under > >what circumstance does it not show up for you? Aha, for this la

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Richard Ryniker
>If I plug it in while I'm logged in, it shows up. I log out and log back in, >and it still shows up. >If I reboot, plug it in during GDM, and then log in... it shows up. Under >what circumstance does it not show up for you? If your USB stick is plugged in before you boot your system, where does

Fedora 15 updates-testing report

2012-04-18 Thread updates
The following Fedora 15 Security updates need testing: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-5631/phpMyAdmin-3.5.0-1.fc15 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-5805/samba-3.5.14-73.fc15.1 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-5822/gallery3-3

Re: started display manager = hang

2012-04-18 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:12, Fernando Cassia wrote: > So, I´m running out of clues as to what to do. I´m curious if any of you > running F17 with the testing repos experienced any hiccup wrt X not > starting up?. > > If not, I´d really appreciate clues wrt how to get my system back to a > worki

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Jonathan Kamens
Three use cases in which in my opinion the behavior is clearly incorrect: Case 1: 1. Put DVD in drive while logged in. DVD is mounted. 2. Reboot computer and log back in. DVD is not mounted. It should be. Case 2: 1. Put DVD in drive before logging in. DVD is not mounted. 2. Log in. DVD is n

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Bill Nottingham
Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: > On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 13:10 -0400, Jonathan Kamens wrote: > > > Yes, I'm aware of that, but that's not what I want. > > > > If it is the position of the Fedora developers that /run/media/$USER > > is the right place for stuff to be mounted, and I don

Re: No way to add a new app launcher from Gnome 3.x GUI?

2012-04-18 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 15:17, Frank Murphy wrote: > No, just studied sw design for a bit. :)) FC -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

Re: No way to add a new app launcher from Gnome 3.x GUI?

2012-04-18 Thread Frank Murphy
On 18/04/12 19:15, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 15:10, Frank Murphy mailto:frankl...@gmail.com>> wrote: Unfortunately CUA is going (gone) the way of the DoDo Hi Frank, What, you read my rant? :) http://news.techeye.net/software/software-gui-design-going-to-hell-in-a-ba

Re: No way to add a new app launcher from Gnome 3.x GUI?

2012-04-18 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 15:10, Frank Murphy wrote: > Unfortunately CUA is going (gone) the way of the DoDo Hi Frank, What, you read my rant? :) http://news.techeye.net/software/software-gui-design-going-to-hell-in-a-basket FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a

Re: F17 Beta DVD install options

2012-04-18 Thread Timothy Davis
> > On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 12:22 -0400, David wrote: > > On 4/18/2012 11:11 AM, Dan Mashal wrote: > > > My system is secure. Thanks for your concern. > > > > > Fedora 14 is EOL since one month after Fedora 16. Fedora 15 will be EOL > > one month after Fedora 17. A long time with no security patches

Re: No way to add a new app launcher from Gnome 3.x GUI?

2012-04-18 Thread Frank Murphy
On 18/04/12 19:07, Fernando Cassia wrote: It has worked that way from the OS/2 Workplace Shell (whose paradigm was ´everything is an object´) to Windows, too... (and previous Gnome versions). Unfortunately CUA is going (gone) the way of the DoDo -- Regards, Frank "Jack of all, fubars" -- te

Re: No way to add a new app launcher from Gnome 3.x GUI?

2012-04-18 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 14:48, Richard Ryniker wrote: > I do not think a click on nothing is persuasively intuative as a way to > create an application launcher. Right clicking over something to obtain a pop-up menu of actions to perform on it is an almost universal metaphor in the GUI world. If

Re: No way to add a new app launcher from Gnome 3.x GUI?

2012-04-18 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 14:59, Joachim Backes wrote: > I think that should be done by alacarte, but it's broken actually. Joachim, I appreciate your reply, and don´t get me wrong, but anybody else understands how counter-intuititive this whole thing is?. Why need to call an external program to

Re: No way to add a new app launcher from Gnome 3.x GUI?

2012-04-18 Thread Joachim Backes
On 04/18/2012 07:56 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 14:48, Richard Ryniker wrote: >> I suspect your concern may be for an easy way to add new programs >> to the Applications function, which is a more obscure matter. Something >> that creates a .desktop file in the right way,

Re: Hey! Hard disk install of DVD iso works!

2012-04-18 Thread Tom Horsley
> That's still notabug, I think. See my comment. Even if it wasn't, the > fault isn't anaconda's. Then the bug should be moved to grub2, because it sure is a bug. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

Re: No way to add a new app launcher from Gnome 3.x GUI?

2012-04-18 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 14:48, Richard Ryniker wrote: > I suspect your concern may be for an easy way to add new programs > to the Applications function, which is a more obscure matter.  Something > that creates a .desktop file in the right way, perhaps? Exactly. FC -- During times of Universa

Re: No way to add a new app launcher from Gnome 3.x GUI?

2012-04-18 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 05:55, Jan Wildeboer wrote: > On 18.04.2012 07:46, Fernando Cassia wrote: >> Am I missing something obvious? > Run program, right-click entry in sidebar, click Add to Favorites, perhaps? > Jan who mentioned favorites?? Let me repeat: I download a Java app for instance. A

Re: No way to add a new app launcher from Gnome 3.x GUI?

2012-04-18 Thread Richard Ryniker
>But no, right clicking on empty space doesn't do diddly squat in the >Gnome 3 Applications screen. I do not think a click on nothing is persuasively intuative as a way to create an application launcher. Who wants diddly squats littering the screen, anyway? For programs that can be found through

Re: Yum upgrade F16 -> F17

2012-04-18 Thread Tomi Leppikangas
Adam Williamson wrote: >> I did test upgrade with yum following info on >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum >> >> After doing succesfull usrmove i did upgrade with: >> yum --releasever=17 update rpm >> rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__* >> rpm --rebuilddb >> yum --releasever=17 distro-

Re: F17 Beta DVD install options [OT]

2012-04-18 Thread Tommy Pham
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2012/04/18 09:42 (GMT-0700) Tommy Pham composed: > >> Tried a i386 F17 Beta on an old Dell Optiplex GX280 machine here at >> work and works fine.  However my new upgraded home machine fails :( > > >> Hardware info: > > >> * Gigabyte GA-990F

Re: 'alacarte' crashes, and no apparent way to set Start-up apps, but yes, there is, and hidden (Gnome-session-properties)

2012-04-18 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 13:00, Adam Williamson wrote: >> Should I file a bug fix about this? > > No, you'd be wasting your time. It's hidden intentionally because it's > considered deprecated in GNOME 3. The GNOME devs don't like the whole > session handling stuff  and consider it fundamentally t

Re: F17 Beta DVD install options

2012-04-18 Thread Dan Mashal
I can upgrade. I know how to. It's actually a Virtualbox VM running on a quad core AMD box with 16GB of RAM. Yes, it is natted. Yes SSH is open to the internet. Yes nginx is open to the internet. Yes other ports are open to the internet. No I've never gotten hacked. Any other questions? Tha

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 13:10 -0400, Jonathan Kamens wrote: > Yes, I'm aware of that, but that's not what I want. > > If it is the position of the Fedora developers that /run/media/$USER > is the right place for stuff to be mounted, and I don't have a > particular problem with that decision, then I

Re: F17 Beta DVD install options [OT]

2012-04-18 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 14:00, Felix Miata wrote: >  Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! > > Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/ > -- Another OS/2 user joins the Fedora Family. I remember you from the OS/2 lists Felix, welcome. :) FC -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproj

Re: F17 Beta DVD install options

2012-04-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 12:05 -0500, John Morris wrote: > It is behind a NAT on a home network so I don't worry too much about it > getting hacked. Firefox is almost certainly vulnerable but you rarely > see active attacks in the wild against Linux browsers, especially if you > don't hang out at do

Re: Draft SOP for requesting TCs/RCs

2012-04-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-03-14 at 18:03 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2012-03-13 at 06:04 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote: > > > One remark to this paragraph: > > > > > It is theoretically possible that the situation could arise where > > > a release candidate is requested and built, and results in multip

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Jonathan Kamens
On 04/18/2012 01:06 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > If you set a specific mount location for a device in that tool - i.e. in > fstab - it will be used even if the device is connected after login. Yes, I'm aware of that, but that's not what I want. If it is the position of the Fedora developers that /

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 12:15 -0400, Jonathan Kamens wrote: > OK, so I took a look at the GNOME "Disks" utility, which I was finally > able to get to run without crashing, and as far as I can tell, it > doesn't resolve my main complaint with the new F17 behavior. > > Yes, I can use the Disks utility

Re: F17 Beta DVD install options

2012-04-18 Thread John Morris
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 12:22 -0400, David wrote: > On 4/18/2012 11:11 AM, Dan Mashal wrote: > > My system is secure. Thanks for your concern. > > > Fedora 14 is EOL since one month after Fedora 16. Fedora 15 will be EOL > one month after Fedora 17. A long time with no security patches of any > kind

Re: F17 Beta DVD install options

2012-04-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 09:42 -0700, Tommy Pham wrote: > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 09:50 -0700, Tommy Pham wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Has anyone tried the recent beta released on DVD? > > > > Yes. > > > >> Does it give > >> various install optio

Re: F17 Beta DVD install options [OT]

2012-04-18 Thread Felix Miata
On 2012/04/18 09:42 (GMT-0700) Tommy Pham composed: Tried a i386 F17 Beta on an old Dell Optiplex GX280 machine here at work and works fine. However my new upgraded home machine fails :( Hardware info: * Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5 AM3+ AMD 990FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX * 3ware 9650SE-8LPML wit

Re: F17 Beta DVD install options

2012-04-18 Thread Dan Mashal
I know Fedora 14 is EOL. And sorry, I'm not that type. Try again. Dan On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 04/18/2012 09:22 AM, David wrote: > >> On 4/18/2012 11:11 AM, Dan Mashal wrote: >> >>> My system is secure. Thanks for your concern. >>> >>> Dan >>> >> >> >> Fedora 14

Re: F17 Beta DVD install options

2012-04-18 Thread Rick Stevens
On 04/18/2012 09:22 AM, David wrote: On 4/18/2012 11:11 AM, Dan Mashal wrote: My system is secure. Thanks for your concern. Dan Fedora 14 is EOL since one month after Fedora 16. Fedora 15 will be EOL one month after Fedora 17. A long time with no security patches of any kind for any package

Re: F17 Beta DVD install options

2012-04-18 Thread Tommy Pham
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 09:50 -0700, Tommy Pham wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Has anyone tried the recent beta released on DVD? > > Yes. > >> Does it give >> various install options like F16? > > Yes. > >>   The alpha F17 only installed bare >> minimal

Re: F17 Beta DVD install options

2012-04-18 Thread David
On 4/18/2012 11:11 AM, Dan Mashal wrote: > My system is secure. Thanks for your concern. > > Dan Fedora 14 is EOL since one month after Fedora 16. Fedora 15 will be EOL one month after Fedora 17. A long time with no security patches of any kind for any package for you. I know the type. 'I use L

RE: F17 Beta DVD install options

2012-04-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 08:06 -0700, Dan Mashal wrote: > For what? Everything works fine. For you, and for all those other people you're kindly allowing access to your box...=) -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happ

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Jonathan Kamens
OK, so I took a look at the GNOME "Disks" utility, which I was finally able to get to run without crashing, and as far as I can tell, it doesn't resolve my main complaint with the new F17 behavior. Yes, I can use the Disks utility to configure removable devices, e.g., my DVD drive, to mount on sta

Re: F17 Beta DVD install options

2012-04-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 01:49 -0700, Dan Mashal wrote: > Well that's an Anaconda bug isn't it? :) > > > Still not a reason for a rolling release. Why is it a bug at all? Why wouldn't you want that? -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adam

Re: Hey! Hard disk install of DVD iso works!

2012-04-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 04:44 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 00:56:04 -0700 > Dan Mashal wrote: > > > I never had any issues with the DVD alpha or beta minus btrfs. > > > > Did you do any custom partitioning? > > My problems came way before partitioning. It simply couldn't > find

Re: 'alacarte' crashes, and no apparent way to set Start-up apps, but yes, there is, and hidden (Gnome-session-properties)

2012-04-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 02:11 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 00:09, Fernando Cassia > wrote: > So, Why-oh-why doesn't 'startup applications' appear in the > list of apps under "system tools" or in the "System settings" > folder view, specificall

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 10:23 +0200, Stijn Hoop wrote: > 2. "I have a plugged-in USB disk and I am at the physical console >however I need to find the name of my USB disk in the folder list >and click on it before I can use any files on it" > > This is what I personally object to, and I sus

Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-04-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 17:39 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: > I've booted F16. > > On Tue, 17 Apr 2012, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=804835 . > > > > As we understand it at present, you can't 'chainload' grub2 that way. > > The correct way to 'chainl

started display manager = hang

2012-04-18 Thread Fernando Cassia
Folks, All was well with my F17 system until yesterday night when I did a yum update and rebooted. Now, I get the Fedora logo ¨filling up¨ until it switches to text mode and I see it shows "started display manager" and hangs there. Of course I can log-in in text mode via ctrl-alt-f2, but for some

RE: F17 Beta DVD install options

2012-04-18 Thread Dan Mashal
My system is secure. Thanks for your concern. Dan -Original Message- From: test-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:test-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of David Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:10 AM To: test@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: F17 Beta DVD install opti

Re: F17 Beta DVD install options

2012-04-18 Thread David
On 4/18/2012 11:06 AM, Dan Mashal wrote: > For what? Everything works fine. > > Dan For the security of your system? > -Original Message- > From: test-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org > [mailto:test-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Josh Boyer > Sent: Wednesday, April 18,

RE: F17 Beta DVD install options

2012-04-18 Thread Dan Mashal
For what? Everything works fine. Dan -Original Message- From: test-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:test-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Josh Boyer Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 4:52 AM To: For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases Subject: Re: F17 Beta

rawhide report: 20120418 changes

2012-04-18 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Wed Apr 18 08:15:05 UTC 2012 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [389-ds-base] 389-ds-base-1.2.11-0.1.a1.fc18.x86_64 requires libdb-5.2.so()(64bit) [aeolus-conductor] aeolus-conductor-0.4.0-2.fc17.noarch requires ruby

Re: F17 Beta DVD install options

2012-04-18 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 4:49 AM, Dan Mashal wrote: > Well that's an Anaconda bug isn't it? :) > > Still not a reason for a rolling release. > > I quite enjoy Fedora 14. Please, if you do nothing else, upgrade your kernel manually. josh -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubs

F-17 Branched report: 20120418 changes

2012-04-18 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Wed Apr 18 08:15:05 UTC 2012 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [aeolus-conductor] aeolus-conductor-0.4.0-2.fc17.noarch requires ruby(abi) = 0:1.8 [aeolus-configserver] aeolus-configserver-0.4.5-1.fc17.noarch require

Re: new Release Criterion proposal: kernel+initrd boot

2012-04-18 Thread Kamil Paral
> On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 08:42 -0700, Brian C. Lane wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 12:08:04PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Mon, 2012-04-16 at 10:11 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote: > > > > > > > > [1] "The installer must boot (if appropriate) and run on all > > > > > primary > > > > > archit

RE: Hey! Hard disk install of DVD iso works!

2012-04-18 Thread Dan Mashal
Ok, will test tomorrow. Dan -Original Message- From: test-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:test-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Tom Horsley Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:01 AM To: test@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Hey! Hard disk install of DVD iso works!

Re: No way to add a new app launcher from Gnome 3.x GUI?

2012-04-18 Thread Jan Wildeboer
On 18.04.2012 07:46, Fernando Cassia wrote: Am I missing something obvious? Run program, right-click entry in sidebar, click Add to Favorites, perhaps? Jan -- Jan H Wildeboer| EMEA Open Source Affairs | Office: +49 (0)89 205071-207 Red Hat GmbH | Mobi

Re: Hey! Hard disk install of DVD iso works!

2012-04-18 Thread Tom Horsley
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 01:46:54 -0700 Dan Mashal wrote: > Just use whatever the default options are for upgrading or "replace > existing linux system" with all default options for now, > That should do it. I'm not upgrading. I'm installing from scratch in a different partition. -- test mailing list

Re: F17 Beta DVD install options

2012-04-18 Thread Dan Mashal
Well that's an Anaconda bug isn't it? :) Still not a reason for a rolling release. I quite enjoy Fedora 14. Thanks, Dan On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 01:06:42 -0700 > Dan Mashal wrote: > > > You can install updates during the initial OS install. Jus

Re: F17 Beta DVD install options

2012-04-18 Thread Tom Horsley
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 01:06:42 -0700 Dan Mashal wrote: > You can install updates during the initial OS install. Just select updates > and updates-testing repo. You will need network when you do this. You can do that, but then you find you can't restrict the install to packages only appearing on the

Re: Hey! Hard disk install of DVD iso works!

2012-04-18 Thread Dan Mashal
Just use whatever the default options are for upgrading or "replace existing linux system" with all default options for now, That should do it. I will double check tomorrow for you. Dan On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 1:44 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 00:56:04 -0700 > Dan Mashal wrote:

Re: Hey! Hard disk install of DVD iso works!

2012-04-18 Thread Tom Horsley
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 00:56:04 -0700 Dan Mashal wrote: > I never had any issues with the DVD alpha or beta minus btrfs. > > Did you do any custom partitioning? My problems came way before partitioning. It simply couldn't find the disk image given on the repo=hd:yadda-yadda kernel command line. Wit

automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Stijn Hoop
Hello, On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:50:47 -0400 Jonathan Kamens wrote: > I am not talking about static mounts. I'm talking about if I have a > removable device inserted / plugged in / whatever, then when I log > in, I should see it. This is what users expect. Period. > > Bugzillad: https://bugzilla.r

Re: F17 Beta DVD install options

2012-04-18 Thread Dan Mashal
You can install updates during the initial OS install. Just select updates and updates-testing repo. You will need network when you do this. So why do we need a "rolling release" again? Dan On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 8:02 PM, John Wendel wrote: > On 04/17/2012 01:43 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On

Grayed out Box....bug/annoyance?

2012-04-18 Thread Ed Greshko
I just installed the F17 Beta from DVD in a VBox VM. After installing and updating I went to "Install Guest Additions". The CD image was mounted and then a dialog box popped up to inform that the CD had software on it that wanted to run when the CD was loaded. But the dialog box was grayed ou

Re: Hey! Hard disk install of DVD iso works!

2012-04-18 Thread Dan Mashal
I never had any issues with the DVD alpha or beta minus btrfs. Did you do any custom partitioning? Dan On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 18:13 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > > Unlike the Alpha DVD iso, I was able to install f17 > > Beta using the hard