Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now...

2011-04-25 Thread JB
Ian Pilcher gmail.com> writes: > ... > > It was stated that GNOME upstream, to use the Ford analogy, have eliminated > > the panel/menu/desktop-icon desktop metaphor from existence in Fedora 'by > > fiat'. I find that a pretty silly argument given the choices that are > > available. > ... > In

Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now...

2011-04-25 Thread Ian Pilcher
On 04/25/2011 09:36 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > (drifting way off-topic for test@, at this point...) Maybe we need fedora-gno...@redhat.com? > It was stated that GNOME upstream, to use the Ford analogy, have eliminated > the panel/menu/desktop-icon desktop metaphor from existence in Fedora '

Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now...

2011-04-25 Thread Bill Nottingham
(drifting way off-topic for test@, at this point...) Gregory Maxwell (gmaxw...@gmail.com) said: > On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > http://git.gnome.org/ > > http://spins.fedoraproject.org/ > > > > The beautiful thing about open source is that you always have that c

Re: WARNING: at net/sched/sch_generic.c:256

2011-04-25 Thread Steven Haigh
This seems a lot like this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=693442 On 26/04/2011 10:05 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > Dear folks, > > I have a fully updated F15 Machine that sometimes just stops(internet > connection), can't update anymore. Only way out of it is to restart :( > > get

WARNING: at net/sched/sch_generic.c:256

2011-04-25 Thread Antonio Olivares
Dear folks, I have a fully updated F15 Machine that sometimes just stops(internet connection), can't update anymore. Only way out of it is to restart :( get a WARNING: [ 412.016078] [ cut here ] [ 412.016096] WARNING: at net/sched/sch_generic.c:256 dev_watchdog+0xe2/0

F-15 Branched report: 20110425 changes

2011-04-25 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Mon Apr 25 13:15:36 UTC 2011 Broken deps for x86_64 -- collectd-mysql-4.10.2-2.fc15.x86_64 requires libmysqlclient.so.16()(64bit) collectd-mysql-4.10.2-2.fc15.x86_64 requires libmysqlclient.so.16(libmysqlc

Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now...

2011-04-25 Thread Jon Masters
On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 19:08 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/wisdom/braindump/oss-happens.html That's an excellent bookmark, thanks for the laugh :) Jon. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/l

Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now...

2011-04-25 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 06:45:01 +0800 Ed Greshko wrote: > Why didn't the folks making all the noise "get involved" earlier? For the same reason the vast majority of people are always shocked by the open source developers: Most people have better things to do with their time than obsessively follow e

Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now...

2011-04-25 Thread Ed Greshko
On 04/26/2011 06:06 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: >Perhaps there are different issues being discussed here - if so we > should be more clear in separating them: > > (i) gnome-3 > > + Pros and Cons .. > + how can we make it better ... > > The above implies its gnome not fedo

Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now...

2011-04-25 Thread Genes MailLists
On 04/25/2011 05:23 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Ian Pilcher (arequip...@gmail.com) said: >> On 04/25/2011 11:19 AM, drago01 wrote: ... > > http://git.gnome.org/ > http://spins.fedoraproject.org/ > Perhaps there are different issues being discussed here - if so we should be more clea

Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now...

2011-04-25 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > http://git.gnome.org/ > http://spins.fedoraproject.org/ > > The beautiful thing about open source is that you always have that choice. > Sure, you may not like the amount of effort that may be involved (on a > scale that goes from switching

Re: Fallback mode further hosed?

2011-04-25 Thread Bill Nottingham
Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: > Did gnome-panel recently switch backend to gsettings or something? That > was the first explanation that popped into my head when I read the > symptoms. Yes. Bill -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedor

Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now...

2011-04-25 Thread Bill Nottingham
Ian Pilcher (arequip...@gmail.com) said: > On 04/25/2011 11:19 AM, drago01 wrote: > > "If I'd asked people what they wanted, they would have said a faster > > horse.” – Henry Ford > > But Henry Ford didn't eliminate animal powered transportation by fiat. > The "people" ultimately decided that the

Fedora 13 updates-testing report

2011-04-25 Thread updates
The following Fedora 13 Security updates need testing: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/tor-0.2.1.29-1300.fc13 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/mingw32-openssl-1.0.0-0.7.beta4.fc13 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/SimGear-2.0.0-5.fc13 https://admin.fedoraprojec

Fedora 14 updates-testing report

2011-04-25 Thread updates
The following Fedora 14 Security updates need testing: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/tomcat6-6.0.26-20.fc14 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/mingw32-openssl-1.0.0a-2.fc14 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/wireshark-1.4.6-1.fc14 https://admin.fedoraproject.org

Re: postfix versus sendmail

2011-04-25 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Tom Horsley (horsley1...@gmail.com) said: >> Just curious why sendmail is still the default on f15? > > Inertia. No one has yet cared about this enough to overcome the rash of > complaints & discussion that such a change would entail. Corr

Re: groupinstall Window\ Managers

2011-04-25 Thread Bill Nottingham
cornel panceac (cpanc...@gmail.com) said: > # yum groupinstall Window\ Managers > ... > Warning: Group window-managers does not have any packages. > No packages in any requested group available to install or update It doesn't have any *default* packages. yum --setopt=group_package_types=default,

Re: postfix versus sendmail

2011-04-25 Thread Bill Nottingham
Tom Horsley (horsley1...@gmail.com) said: > Just curious why sendmail is still the default on f15? Inertia. No one has yet cared about this enough to overcome the rash of complaints & discussion that such a change would entail. Bill -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscri

Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now...

2011-04-25 Thread mike cloaked
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 04/25/2011 12:35 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: >> On 04/25/2011 12:19 PM, drago01 wrote: >> >>> "If I'd asked people what they wanted, they would have said a faster >>> horse.” – Henry Ford > > >  Far more likely ... if they had been asked

Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now...

2011-04-25 Thread Genes MailLists
On 04/25/2011 12:35 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 04/25/2011 12:19 PM, drago01 wrote: > >> "If I'd asked people what they wanted, they would have said a faster >> horse.” – Henry Ford Far more likely ... if they had been asked they would have asked for flying vehicles like they had been read

Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now...

2011-04-25 Thread Jonathan Masters
Ford was the tablet to the day's traditional desktop (not sure what anology to use with Diesel). If the traditional horse is to die, let it die on its own, and let tablet interfaces replace it. Consumers will happily move over at their own pace. I am well aware of the history of the automobile.

Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now...

2011-04-25 Thread Genes MailLists
On 04/25/2011 12:19 PM, drago01 wrote: > "If I'd asked people what they wanted, they would have said a faster > horse.” – Henry Ford > > Horses even had a *much* longer tradition then the windows 95 style desktop ;) o We didn't move from horse to car - we moved from horse to donkey :-) o Or

Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now...

2011-04-25 Thread Ian Pilcher
On 04/25/2011 11:19 AM, drago01 wrote: > "If I'd asked people what they wanted, they would have said a faster > horse.” – Henry Ford But Henry Ford didn't eliminate animal powered transportation by fiat. The "people" ultimately decided that they preferred motorized transport. GNOME users are not

Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now...

2011-04-25 Thread drago01
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Jonathan Masters wrote: > I think the point is that it takes many years to build traction. We should > consider we have established players in desktop and a trend towards Android, > iOS, MeeGo etc. powered devices in the consumer space over a pure play Linux > d

Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now...

2011-04-25 Thread Jonathan Masters
I think the point is that it takes many years to build traction. We should consider we have established players in desktop and a trend towards Android, iOS, MeeGo etc. powered devices in the consumer space over a pure play Linux distro. We would have been better served in the traditional distro

Re: F15 blocker? lvm-monitor of snapshot hangs at reboot/shutdown

2011-04-25 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2011-04-18 at 11:10 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2011-04-18 at 10:03 -0400, James Laska wrote: > > > But that's a bit open to interpretation. For example, it could be said > > (I think I even did) that reboot/shutdown does work, it just takes > > forever. Anyone else think it

Re: GNOME 3 != KDE 4 (was Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now...)

2011-04-25 Thread Ian Pilcher
On 04/24/2011 09:52 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > some folks wanted kde 3.5.X back, and Fedora would not go back and put in Kde > 3.5.x ---> i don't see Fedora putting Gnome 2.3X back just because people > want it or miss some features You make a good point that from Fedora's point of view, the

Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now...

2011-04-25 Thread JB
John Morris beau.org> writes: > > On Sat, 2011-04-23 at 07:50 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > GNOME 2.0 came out in 2002, so we had that interface for nine years. > > It's not like no-one gave it a chance. > > Quite the contrary, people seem to like it and are confused when things > that w

2011-04-25 - No Fedora QA Meeting

2011-04-25 Thread James Laska
Greetings folks, It's hard to believe that the Final release phase is right around the corner (starts next week). Please continue to file bugs for release criteria blockers [2]. If you are unsure about the impact/severity of a bug, reach out on test@lists.fedoraproject.org for guidance. Time is

rawhide report: 20110425 changes

2011-04-25 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Mon Apr 25 08:15:13 UTC 2011 Broken deps for x86_64 -- beldi-0.9.25-3.fc15.x86_64 requires libhal-storage.so.1()(64bit) beldi-0.9.25-3.fc15.x86_64 requires libhal.so.1()(64bit) beldi-0.9.25-3.fc15.x8

Some ksudoku questions in F15

2011-04-25 Thread Joachim Backes
Hi all, having 2 questions concerning ksudoku in F15: Q1: how to print a ksudoku game in F15 without making a screen foto? Q2: Are there additional themes for ksudoku? Kind regards Joachim Backes http://www.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature --