Once upon a time, Adam Williamson said:
> It's only people who are coming from an existing desktop - like GNOME 2
> - for which they already know all the shortcuts who are getting
> frustrated, because they've changed, and now some of that knowledge you
> built up doesn't apply any more, and you k
On Sat, 2011-04-23 at 00:33 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 19:53 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > It's only people who are coming from an existing desktop
>
> This happens to be most users, whether GNOME 2, Windows, or OS X. There
> is *one* way computers work for most peopl
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Genes MailLists wrote:
>
> Someone made a comparison to Mac OS being new and different as a goal
> - that was not the case
May be, this was not a major goal, but of course this was in their mind
people who initially designed it. Else there has not much sense
On 04/22/2011 10:45 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 11:57 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote:
...
>
> Aunt Tilly (or Uncle Tilson) wouldn't be setting up any apps which
> didn't provide their own menu entries. You can't expect Tilly / Tilson
> to be writing their own shell scripts,
On 04/22/2011 12:15 PM, Dan Scott wrote:
> On 22 April 2011 00:03, Ed Greshko wrote:
>
>
>
>> When you mouse-over "Activities" in the upper left your get a selection of
>> "Windows" and "Applications". The available "Windows" are shown over on the
>> right side. It seems, that if you want to pi
On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 19:53 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> It's only people who are coming from an existing desktop
This happens to be most users, whether GNOME 2, Windows, or OS X. There
is *one* way computers work for most people, and it involves panels in
certain locations that work in certai
On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 13:35 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 13:15, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> I am seeing the same thing you are (on F15), so I don't think
> it is a rawhide
> only issue. If you find a solution I'd like to hear about it.
>
>
On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 11:57 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 15:54:03 +0100
> mike cloaked wrote:
>
> > > You could try just learning a bit about it before writing it off
> > > forever.
> >
> > I think Gnome3 has the potential to work very well but it is new and
> > it is a learnin
On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 11:57 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote:
> On 04/22/2011 11:37 AM, Angel wrote:
>
> >
> > A .desktop file needs to be placed in /usr/share/Applications or
> > ~/.local/share/applications/.
> >
>
>
> Great - Aunt Tillie can learn to use Emacs and XML at the same time ..
> yay
On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 15:40 +0200, Matej Cepl wrote:
> Dne 21.4.2011 15:51, Adam Jackson napsal(a):
> > It's even easier than that. Click on the black title bar in the Display
> > capplet and move it to the monitor you want it to appear on.
>
> Unfortunately, it took me twenty minutes before I fi
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 13:35:02 -0500,
"Jason D. Clinton" wrote:
> http://www.vuntz.net/journal/post/2011/04/13/gnome-panel-is-dead%2C-long-live-gnome-panel%21
The advice there on using alt right click to adjust panels worked. I haven't
set everything back up, but I have one larger panel at th
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Broken deps for x86_64
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The following Fedora 13 Security updates need testing:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/tor-0.2.1.29-1300.fc13
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/SimGear-2.0.0-5.fc13
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/libmodplug-0.8.7-3.fc13
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates
The following Fedora 14 Security updates need testing:
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Per Bothner wrote:
> I'm hoping someone can reverse engineer at least how to disable nvidia.
Looks like you are in luck. People have started to reverse engineer it
and have made some progress towards an easy-to-use tool[1] to switch
between cards.
[1] http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.
Link to tests on wiki:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Fedora-SoaS#Fedora-15-Nightly-20110421.22-i686-Live-desktop.iso
===Fedora-15-Nightly-20110421.22-i686-Live-desktop.iso===
*Install sugar-desktop:
: yum install @sugar-desktop sugar-emulator
*sugar-emulator and sugar(from g
On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:13:27 -0500, JDC wrote:
> This is not the list to have this flame war again. This is the test@ list
> for QA for the branched release.
What I wrote was not supposed to start a flame war, so please don't
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On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 14:10, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> Exactly that ought not happen. Instead, Rawhide would typically move ahead
> of the F-15 branch due to packagers dropping even newer stuff into
> Rawhide [1], and then updates to F-15 branched no longer inherit from
> Rawhide. Plus, _that_
On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 13:05:31 -0500, JDC wrote:
> I'm not a Fedora packager but I do read these mailing lists consistently and
> it's pretty clear from discussion in the past few weeks that the situation
> is--essentially--the following:
>
> In an ideal world, rawhide would be updated at the same
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 13:35:02 -0500,
"Jason D. Clinton" wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 13:15, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>
> I think you have different problems. Some of what you are seeing are likely
> migration bugs. Other problems are user issues:
> http://www.vuntz.net/journal/post/2011/0
On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 11:52 -0600, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> One wonders...what is rawhide for if we're not supposed to run it?
I run it to keep up with what's going on. But in order to do this, I
purchased an additional (personal) netbook that just runs rawhide. When
I travel, I will sync down ev
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 13:15, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> I am seeing the same thing you are (on F15), so I don't think it is a
> rawhide
> only issue. If you find a solution I'd like to hear about it.
>
> I can't change the preferences from the desktop. The launchers I had have
> disappeared so I
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 11:09:37 -0600,
Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> Up until now, the fallback mode has preserved (to an approximation) my
> older panel setup - a single panel, not full width, on the bottom. Today
> all that's gone; now I have two panels. My launchers are gone, as is a
> fair amo
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:52, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> One wonders...what is rawhide for if we're not supposed to run it?
>
I'm not a Fedora packager but I do read these mailing lists consistently and
it's pretty clear from discussion in the past few weeks that the situation
is--essentially--th
On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 12:19:41 -0500
"Jason D. Clinton" wrote:
> Are you still running rawhide despite recommendations not to?
Yes...my understanding is that updates will be slow while everybody's busy
with F15; I honestly didn't expect it to break my panel at this stage.
But, then, rawhide is goo
On 22 April 2011 18:08, Genes MailLists wrote:
> On 04/22/2011 11:57 AM, Genes MailLists wrote:
>> On 04/22/2011 11:37 AM, Angel wrote:
>>> A .desktop file needs to be placed in /usr/share/Applications or
>>> ~/.local/share/applications/.
>
> Someone made a comparison to Mac OS being new and dif
Hi,
2011/4/22 Scott Robbins :
> I'm using F15 beta full time now. I note that when I run top, systemd
> is using memory and cpu resources. Memory especially seems rather
> high. (This is just running top, when I was wondering why the system
> was suddenly slowing down.
>
> --
>
On 04/22/2011 06:09 PM, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> Up until now, the fallback mode has preserved (to an approximation) my
> older panel setup - a single panel, not full width, on the bottom. Today
> all that's gone; now I have two panels. My launchers are gone, as is a
> fair amount of my vertical
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:09, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> Up until now, the fallback mode has preserved (to an approximation) my
> older panel setup - a single panel, not full width, on the bottom. Today
> all that's gone; now I have two panels. My launchers are gone, as is a
> fair amount of my
I'm using F15 beta full time now. I note that when I run top, systemd
is using memory and cpu resources. Memory especially seems rather
high. (This is just running top, when I was wondering why the system
was suddenly slowing down.
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Up until now, the fallback mode has preserved (to an approximation) my
older panel setup - a single panel, not full width, on the bottom. Today
all that's gone; now I have two panels. My launchers are gone, as is a
fair amount of my vertical screen space.
Is this deliberate? If so, why? It was
On 04/22/2011 11:57 AM, Genes MailLists wrote:
> On 04/22/2011 11:37 AM, Angel wrote:
>
>>
>> A .desktop file needs to be placed in /usr/share/Applications or
>> ~/.local/share/applications/.
>>
>
Someone made a comparison to Mac OS being new and different as a goal
- that was not the case -
On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 15:54:03 +0100
mike cloaked wrote:
> > You could try just learning a bit about it before writing it off
> > forever.
>
> I think Gnome3 has the potential to work very well but it is new and
> it is a learning curve.
But for months now they've been telling us this new design w
On 04/22/2011 11:37 AM, Angel wrote:
>
> A .desktop file needs to be placed in /usr/share/Applications or
> ~/.local/share/applications/.
>
Great - Aunt Tillie can learn to use Emacs and XML at the same time ..
yay ... certainly new and different as one poster put it ... better ..
time till
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 8:54 PM, mike cloaked wrote:
> I think Gnome3 has the potential to work very well but it is new and
> it is a learning curve. There are some things I would like to know
> will get included - for example will there be some alternative themes
> available at F15 release? I wo
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:29 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> This is the case with pretty much any desktop. They're fundamentally
> sufficiently complex that you can either have very discoverable (but
> inefficient) or efficient (but not so discoverable), and all desktops
> I've ever seen end up be
Dne 21.4.2011 15:51, Adam Jackson napsal(a):
> It's even easier than that. Click on the black title bar in the Display
> capplet and move it to the monitor you want it to appear on.
Unfortunately, it took me twenty minutes before I figured out this one.
... :(
Matěj
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I did a clean install.
Browsing the network does work neither for fileshares nor for printers
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Is this a bug or a feature ?
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On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Andre Robatino
wrote:
> I don't understand why as long as there's unused vertical space, the user
> menu
> can't just be made longer, and the menu items the devs consider bad (like
> "Power
> Off...") put at the bottom. Anyone who doesn't use them isn't affected at
Tom Horsley gmail.com> writes:
> As others have noted, there seems to be a lot of things that
> you have to just know the magic keystrokes to find (hold down
> Alt, hit ESC, etc),
I don't understand why as long as there's unused vertical space, the user menu
can't just be made longer, and the me
People,
On my Gateway LT30 netbook, booting halts with:
[40.875118
Mounting other filesystems: mount: devpts already mounted or /dev/pts busy
mount: sysfs already mounted or /sys busy
OK] [FAILED]
and then three more lines with "[OK]" before stopping altogether
I want to try F15 on this ma
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