An Introduction

2011-03-18 Thread Ashwin Mansinghka
Hello, I am Ashwin Mansinghka from Kolkata, India. I have experience in system administration and wireless communication. I have used Redhat and then Fedora since year 2000, and wish to contribute to fedoraproject. I would need some initial hand holding to get the feel of triaging, all help fr

Re: Who are QA?

2011-03-18 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 03/18/2011 05:04 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 20:25 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: >> Could you please add a _little bit_ of punctuation to that very long >> sentence above? > > Hum not following my English is not that good as most people are aware > of. > > If I I'm

F-15 Branched report: 20110318 changes

2011-03-18 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Fri Mar 18 13:15:26 UTC 2011 Broken deps for x86_64 -- Io-language-extras-20080330-4.fc15.x86_64 requires libevent-1.4.so.2()(64bit) byzanz-0.2.2-1.fc14.x86_64 requires libpanel-applet-2.so.0()(64bit)

Re: Who are QA?

2011-03-18 Thread B.
On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 15:26 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > Ok I think this is clearer. You are wondering: > > 1) What is QA's charter, and who has chartered it Well normally I would think it would be our responsibility ( QA community ) > 2) What is QA governance methodology and who decide

Re: Who are QA?

2011-03-18 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
2011/3/18 Jóhann B. : > On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 14:07 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: >> Actually for the entire email as it comes across very rambling and >> unfocused. Could you rewrite and resend? > > Take three all put together hopefully clearer.. > > There was a recent topic raised on [1] wit

Re: Who are QA?

2011-03-18 Thread B.
On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 14:07 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > Actually for the entire email as it comes across very rambling and > unfocused. Could you rewrite and resend? Take three all put together hopefully clearer.. There was a recent topic raised on [1] with regards it was difficult to

Re: Who are QA?

2011-03-18 Thread B.
On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 20:25 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > Could you please add a _little bit_ of punctuation to that very long > sentence above? Hum not following my English is not that good as most people are aware of. If I I'm getting you right you want me rephrase clear it up and to break

Re: problem in F15 with booting into some runlevel (s and 3)

2011-03-18 Thread Adam Pribyl
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011, Joachim Backes wrote: > Hi, somebody has been successful in booting into runlevel s (=1) or 3? > > I tried this by adding a "s" or "3" into the grub boot line (as sucessfully > in previous Fedora versions), the system hangs up after the kernel booted, > obviously if the desi

Re: Who are QA?

2011-03-18 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 13:25, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:09:41 +, Jóhann wrote: > >> There was a recent topic raised on [1] with regards it was difficult to >> find information how Fedora is governed and there has been lot of QA >> decided this QA voted that in our histo

Re: Who are QA?

2011-03-18 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:09:41 +, Jóhann wrote: > There was a recent topic raised on [1] with regards it was difficult to > find information how Fedora is governed and there has been lot of QA > decided this QA voted that in our history which may look confusing to > outsiders and our own comm

Re: Proposed release criteria revisions

2011-03-18 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/18/2011 06:28 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 17:17 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > >>> This also applies to the question of which spins block the release. >>> That's not something that is defined in the criteria, or that should be. >>> It's an issue for the Board a

Who are QA?

2011-03-18 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
There was a recent topic raised on [1] with regards it was difficult to find information how Fedora is governed and there has been lot of QA decided this QA voted that in our history which may look confusing to outsiders and our own community since QA has never have voted any QA board to handle

2011-03-18 - F-15-Beta blocker bug review #2 - recap

2011-03-18 Thread James Laska
== #fedora-bugzappers: F-15-Beta Blocker Review#2 == Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2011-03-18/f-15-beta-blocker.2011-03-18-17.00.html Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.o

Re: Proposed release criteria revisions

2011-03-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 17:17 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > This also applies to the question of which spins block the release. > > That's not something that is defined in the criteria, or that should be. > > It's an issue for the Board and the Spins SIG, which have been > > discussing i

Re: F15: after locking screen unlock is impossible

2011-03-18 Thread Joachim Backes
On 03/18/2011 06:59 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Joachim Backes (joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de) said: Did you solved that? Yes. The reason was that /bin/su had no owner-s-bit. After adding the sbit (chmod u+s /bin/su) I got rid from these problems. ... How did you install? To what filesystem t

Re: F15: after locking screen unlock is impossible

2011-03-18 Thread Bill Nottingham
Joachim Backes (joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de) said: > >Did you solved that? > > Yes. The reason was that /bin/su had no owner-s-bit. After adding > the sbit (chmod u+s /bin/su) I got rid from these problems. ... How did you install? To what filesystem type? Bill -- test mailing list test@list

Re: F15: after locking screen unlock is impossible

2011-03-18 Thread Joachim Backes
On 03/18/2011 06:25 PM, Adam Pribyl wrote: On Wed, 16 Mar 2011, Joachim Backes wrote: Having a problem in F15 with screen locking: after having locked the screen, I can't unlock the screen because the pwd is rejected. As a workaraound, I use the user switch button which lets me relog into my r

Re: Proposed release criteria revisions

2011-03-18 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/18/2011 10:39 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > Personally I feel that everything should get an equal treatment within > the community hence we should have a process that treats each spin > equally thus we should either focus on what ever is currently > implemented as an "Default" or al

Re: F15: after locking screen unlock is impossible

2011-03-18 Thread Adam Pribyl
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011, Joachim Backes wrote: > Having a problem in F15 with screen locking: after having locked the screen, > I can't unlock the screen because the pwd is rejected. > > As a workaraound, I use the user switch button which lets me relog into my > running session. > > Any additional

Re: Proposed release criteria revisions

2011-03-18 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/18/2011 05:04 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: As James said, that's considerably beyond the scope of both this thread and this group. It's not QA's job to define the vision of the project, it's our job to validate the release process and the released products that we*do* have. If you want to ch

Re: Proposed release criteria revisions

2011-03-18 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/18/2011 03:52 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > I'd like to see some spelled out criteria for determining which spins can > block > a release, I don't think all spins being able to block a release is a good > idea, with the way spins are handled now. Personally I'd like to see criteria > that all

Re: Proposed release criteria revisions

2011-03-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 15:14 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 03/18/2011 02:27 PM, James Laska wrote: > >> I disagree with this. A lot of what we want tested needs a graphical > >> desktop. > >> > If we were to ship an Alpha without a working desktop, we wouldn't get > >> > much > >> >

Re: Nightly builds in abeyance?

2011-03-18 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:40:09 +0530 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 03/18/2011 02:04 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > > Also, FYI, I will soon replace the above space with a page that just > > links to koji builds of these. This will be much faster and better > > moving forward > > How is Koji's support f

Re: Proposed release criteria revisions

2011-03-18 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 14:11:59 +, "\"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\"" wrote: > > Due to historical reasons the readiness of the KDE spin has had the > ability to block the final release of the "Default" spin hence I > propose that no spin can block the release of the "Default" what ever > tha

Re: Proposed release criteria revisions

2011-03-18 Thread James Laska
On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 15:14 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 03/18/2011 02:27 PM, James Laska wrote: > >> I disagree with this. A lot of what we want tested needs a graphical > >> desktop. > >> > If we were to ship an Alpha without a working desktop, we wouldn't get > >> > much > >> >

Re: Proposed release criteria revisions

2011-03-18 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 15:14:41 +, "\"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\"" wrote: > ( Rawhide users/reporters should know it's broken in the first place and > provide feedback ) By alpha we are working with 'branched' not 'rawhide'. The point remains valid, but using the wrong name for it might cause

Re: Proposed release criteria revisions

2011-03-18 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/18/2011 02:27 PM, James Laska wrote: >> I disagree with this. A lot of what we want tested needs a graphical desktop. >> > If we were to ship an Alpha without a working desktop, we wouldn't get >> > much >> > feedback (other than that the desktop doesn't work). That's mostly cause we are

Re: Proposed release criteria revisions

2011-03-18 Thread James Laska
On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 09:14 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 10:58:26 +, > "\"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\"" wrote: > > On 03/17/2011 08:16 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > Alpha: Actually account for firstboot, which we completely ignored until > > > now. The criterion abou

Re: Proposed release criteria revisions

2011-03-18 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 10:58:26 +, "\"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\"" wrote: > On 03/17/2011 08:16 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > Alpha: Actually account for firstboot, which we completely ignored until > > now. The criterion about 'booting to a working desktop' was split into > > two and now cove

Re: Proposed release criteria revisions

2011-03-18 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
Given that we are revisting the release criteria I propose that we update ourselves to more recent times to reflect the project more accurately. Due to historical reasons the readiness of the KDE spin has had the ability to block the final release of the "Default" spin hence I propose that

Re: Proposed release criteria revisions

2011-03-18 Thread James Laska
On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 13:16 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > Can everyone let me know what they think of these changes? Thanks! > > There may be a few more coming later as I go through the blocker meeting > logs. I hope you don't mind ... but my brain+eyes needed to see a patch (available at http:

Re: Nightly builds in abeyance?

2011-03-18 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/18/2011 02:04 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > Also, FYI, I will soon replace the above space with a page that just > links to koji builds of these. This will be much faster and better > moving forward How is Koji's support for live images implemented? Does it use livecd-creator or copy code or w

Re: Proposed release criteria revisions

2011-03-18 Thread James Laska
On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 14:33 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 20:35 +, Andre Robatino wrote: > > > Should there be an explicit requirement for Final at least, that the image > > itself have a working mediacheck? > > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=676551 >

Thursday Nightly Build

2011-03-18 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
Gnome 3 failed to run on an Intel system with Nvidia GT-460SE. BTW Nvidia has 59 per cent of the video card gaming market. The Thursday nightly build apparently ran Gnome 3 on a system with ATI board, but the hard disk install resulted in an unrepairable file system that would not get past the gru

Re: Proposed release criteria revisions

2011-03-18 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/17/2011 08:16 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > Alpha: Actually account for firstboot, which we completely ignored until > now. The criterion about 'booting to a working desktop' was split into > two and now covers firstboot. I also explicitly called out encryption > here, and tweaked the language

problem in F15 with booting into some runlevel (s and 3)

2011-03-18 Thread Joachim Backes
Hi, somebody has been successful in booting into runlevel s (=1) or 3? I tried this by adding a "s" or "3" into the grub boot line (as sucessfully in previous Fedora versions), the system hangs up after the kernel booted, obviously if the desired bootlevel seems to be ready. Same problem if I