Why is inkscape-0.48.0-1.fc14.1.i686 started with German UI?

2010-09-20 Thread Joachim Backes
My locale: LANG=en_US.utf8 LC_CTYPE="en_US.utf8" LC_NUMERIC="en_US.utf8" LC_TIME="en_US.utf8" LC_COLLATE="en_US.utf8" LC_MONETARY="en_US.utf8" LC_MESSAGES="en_US.utf8" LC_PAPER="en_US.utf8" LC_NAME="en_US.utf8" LC_ADDRESS="en_US.utf8" LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.utf8" LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.utf8" LC_IDENTI

Something wrong with inkscape-0.48.0-1.fc14.1.i686?

2010-09-20 Thread Joachim Backes
The inkscape behaviour after the update to inkscape-0.48.0-1.fc14.1.i686) is a little bit weird: After it is started until the inkscape screen is completed, it takes 0m22.503s user time on my dual core box (Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6300 @ 1.86GHz, 2 Gig memory) Anybody sees this too? -- Joachim

Fedora 14 updates-testing report

2010-09-20 Thread updates
The following Fedora 14 Security updates need testing: https://admin.fedoraproject.org /updates/pam_mount-2.5-1.fc14,libHX-3.6-1.fc14 https://admin.fedoraproject.org /updates/roundup-1.4.15-1.fc14https://admin.fedoraproject.org /updates/ghostscript-8.71-16.fc14https://admin.fedorap

Re: package conflicts in rawhide

2010-09-20 Thread John5342
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 02:53, Rob Healey wrote: > I like how yum shell works, what was its intended purpose? I would imagine to perform several actions at once such as removing, installing and updating things all in one go. Also consider the case where two conflicting packages provide the same f

Re: [Fedora QA] #112: 'Translation/Keyboard in anaconda' Test Day - 2010/09/16

2010-09-20 Thread Fedora QA
#112: 'Translation/Keyboard in anaconda' Test Day - 2010/09/16 ---+ Reporter: rhe | Owner: rhe Type: task | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 14 Component:

new initscript-9.21-2.fc15.x86_64 does not restart?

2010-09-20 Thread Rob Healey
Good evening: I just updated to the current rawhide initscripts package, and now my stem will not restart! It justs logs me off and brings me back to the login prompt... I thought that this issue had been fixed in previous versions? Sincerely yours, Rob G. Healey -- test mailing list test@list

package conflicts in rawhide

2010-09-20 Thread Rob Healey
Dear Bill Nottingham: >Should be fixed tomorrow. If you want to fix it yourself: >$ yum shell > remove upstart-sysvinit > install systemd-sysvinit > run >That should DTRT. I would like to say thank you for taking the time to show me what and how to fix it tonight... I like how yum shell works,

Fedora 12 updates-testing report

2010-09-20 Thread updates
The following Fedora 12 Security updates need testing: https://admin.fedoraproject.org /updates/roundup-1.4.15-1.fc12https://admin.fedoraproject.org /updates/libmspack-0.2-0.1.20100723alpha.fc12,cabextract-1.3-1.fc12 https://admin.fedoraproject.org /updates/lib3ds-1.3.0-9.fc12https

Re: system-config-network F14Beta x86_64

2010-09-20 Thread Richard Ryniker
> if you don't use accessibility disable it with > gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility false Worked like a charm... after I figured out it must be set for root. > Someone from the Gnome Desktop team needs to comment if these should be > installed and accessibili

Re: system-config-network F14Beta x86_64

2010-09-20 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 09/20/2010 10:41 PM, Richard Ryniker wrote: (system-config-network-gui:24283): Gnome-WARNING **: Accessibility: failed to find module 'libgail-gnome' which is needed to make this application accessible This is because the relevant module is not install You can workaround this by installin

Re: system-config-network F14Beta x86_64

2010-09-20 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:41:55 -0400 Richard Ryniker wrote: > Gnome-WARNING Pick any random GTK app, run it from a terminal where you can see stdout and stderr, and you are very likely to get anywhere between 1 and infinity of messages like this warning of dire critical errors. I just ignore 'em.

system-config-network F14Beta x86_64

2010-09-20 Thread Richard Ryniker
Is this working-as-designed? Other than these messages, system-config-network worked as expected. [r...@vista ryniker]# system-config-network (system-config-network-gui:24283): Gnome-WARNING **: Accessibility: faile

Re: [Test-Announce] Anaconda Translation&Keyboard Test Day recap

2010-09-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 15:43 -0300, Igor Pires Soares wrote: > Em Seg, 2010-09-20 às 15:14 +1000, noriko escreveu: > > Adam Williamson さんは書きました: > > > I think it would be good to add the most significant bugs in the list to > > > the F14-accepted tracker: > > > > > > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show

Re: [Fedora QA] #128: Joining proventester group

2010-09-20 Thread Fedora QA
#128: Joining proventester group --+- Reporter: robert | Owner: adamwill Type: proventester request | Status: closed Priority: major| Milestone

Re: Upcoming Fedora 14 Tasks

2010-09-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 17:21 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 09/20/2010 05:19 PM, John Poelstra wrote: > > Great job everyone we finally have the task list empty ;) /me heads for the bar -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject D

New Bodhi, and odd error pushing a package update to testing

2010-09-20 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Fedora Koji Build System wrote: > Package: Miro > NVR: Miro-3.0.3-2.fc13 > User: bodhi > Status: failed > Tag Operation: untagged > From Tag: dist-f13-updates-testing-pending > > Miro-3.0.3-2.fc13 unsuccessfully untagged from > dist-f13-updates-testing-pending by

Re: [Fedora QA] #127: Proventester mentorship request

2010-09-20 Thread Fedora QA
#127: Proventester mentorship request --+- Reporter: salimma | Owner: Type: proventester request | Status: closed Priority: major| Mileston

Re: [Fedora QA] #129: Replace installer telnet test case with newer ssh support

2010-09-20 Thread Fedora QA
#129: Replace installer telnet test case with newer ssh support --+- Reporter: jlaska | Owner: Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: minor| Milestone: Fedora 14 C

2010-09-20 - Fedora QA meeting recap

2010-09-20 Thread James Laska
As always, notes and IRC transcript available on the wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20100920 = Attendees = People present (lines said): * jlaska (125) * wwoods (19) * kparal (12) * Oxf13 (12) * jforbes (9) * dgilmore (8) * saccia (7

[Fedora QA] #129: Replace installer telnet test case with newer ssh support

2010-09-20 Thread Fedora QA
#129: Replace installer telnet test case with newer ssh support -+-- Reporter: jlaska | Owner: Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: minor| Milestone: Fedora 14 Compo

Fedora 14 updates-testing report

2010-09-20 Thread updates
The following Fedora 14 Security updates need testing: The following builds have been pushed to Fedora 14 updates-testing bodhi-0.7.9-1.fc14 Details about builds: bodhi-0.7.9-1.fc14 (FEDORA-2010-14980) A mod

Re: package conflicts in rawhide???

2010-09-20 Thread Bill Nottingham
Rob Healey (robheal...@gmail.com) said: > I am having a problem with yum and rawhide! I do not know if anyone else is > having this same issue or not? I would also like to know how to resolve > this if possible? Should be fixed tomorrow. If you want to fix it yourself: $ yum shell > remove ups

Broken dependencies with Fedora 14 + updates-testing - 2010-09-20

2010-09-20 Thread Michael Schwendt
== The results in this summary consider Test Updates! == Still broken compared with F-14 Branched: 17 builds Fixed packages compared with F-14 Branched:

package conflicts in rawhide???

2010-09-20 Thread Rob Healey
Greetings All: I am having a problem with yum and rawhide! I do not know if anyone else is having this same issue or not? I would also like to know how to resolve this if possible? I have tried to remove systemd-sysvinit, but yum wants to remove half of my system on that one... Is this ok [y/N

Updates to F13 Bollix VLF Monitoring (audio)

2010-09-20 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
Previously I reported on audio issues with Fedora updates affecting the VLF monitoring at omen.com. Unfortunately, recent updates have really messed things up, to the point I may have to consider using a different distro. For quite some time I have been using an Asus pcie audio card for monitor

Re: [Test-Announce] Anaconda Translation&Keyboard Test Day recap

2010-09-20 Thread Igor Pires Soares
Em Seg, 2010-09-20 às 15:14 +1000, noriko escreveu: > Adam Williamson さんは書きました: > > I think it would be good to add the most significant bugs in the list to > > the F14-accepted tracker: > > > > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=f14-accepted > > > > which will propose them as 'nice-to-ha

Re: [Fedora QA] #128: Joining proventester group

2010-09-20 Thread Fedora QA
#128: Joining proventester group --+- Reporter: robert | Owner: adamwill Type: proventester request | Status: assigned Priority: major| Milestone

Re: Is anybody else seeing Thunderbird hang when you try to open the advanced configuration editor?

2010-09-20 Thread Jonathan Kamens
On 09/20/2010 01:22 PM, Jon Hermansen wrote: > Hi Jonathan, > Have you tried reproducing the hang with a completely new user > profile? It is reproducible (albeit intermittent, as I noted before) in an empty profile after moving ~/.mozilla and ~/.thunderbird out of the way. jik smime.p7s D

Re: Upcoming Fedora 14 Tasks

2010-09-20 Thread James Laska
On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 17:21 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 09/20/2010 05:19 PM, John Poelstra wrote: > > Great job everyone we finally have the task list empty ;) Hah, wouldn't that be nice. Just to clarify, there is plenty of testing still inprogress. If you'd like to help, see the

Re: Is anybody else seeing Thunderbird hang when you try to open the advanced configuration editor?

2010-09-20 Thread Jon Hermansen
Hi Jonathan, Have you tried reproducing the hang with a completely new user profile? For instance, try renaming: $HOME/.mozilla $HOME/.thunderbird so that Thunderbird will create a new profile when you launch it. On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Jonathan Kamens wrote: >  On 9/20/2010 12:35 PM,

Re: Upcoming Fedora 14 Tasks

2010-09-20 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 09/20/2010 05:19 PM, John Poelstra wrote: Great job everyone we finally have the task list empty ;) JBG -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

Upcoming Fedora 14 Tasks

2010-09-20 Thread John Poelstra
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Re: Is anybody else seeing Thunderbird hang when you try to open the advanced configuration editor?

2010-09-20 Thread Jonathan Kamens
On 9/20/2010 12:35 PM, Scott Robbins wrote: > I don't know if this is related to your issue... It's not. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

Re: Is anybody else seeing Thunderbird hang when you try to open the advanced configuration editor?

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Robbins
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:39:13AM -0400, Jonathan Kamens wrote: > I just filed bug 635735 about a problem I'm seeing where if I go to Edit > > Preferences in Thunderbird and then click the "Config Editor..." button, > Thunderbird hangs and consume 100% CPU immediately after popping up the config >

Is anybody else seeing Thunderbird hang when you try to open the advanced configuration editor?

2010-09-20 Thread Jonathan Kamens
I just filed bug 635735 about a problem I'm seeing where if I go to Edit > Preferences in Thunderbird and then click the "Config Editor..." button, Thunderbird hangs and consume 100% CPU immediately after popping up the config editor. I've

Re: F14 Beta RC2 comments

2010-09-20 Thread John Watzke
> Seems to be similar to my problem I reported already: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=622694 > > This is exactly the problem I'm seeing. In my case, I can reproduce it every time with the DVD iso. Any tips on what log I could possibly grab to help them debug the problem? -- Jo

F-14 Branched report: 20100920 changes

2010-09-20 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Mon Sep 20 13:15:36 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- RackTables-0.18.3-1.fc14.noarch requires /usr/local/bin/php RackTables-0.18.3-1.fc14.noarch requires perl(File::FnMatch) 1:anjuta-2.30.0.0-2.fc1

Re: Question: how to keep /var/lib/yum/plugins/local small?

2010-09-20 Thread Frank Murphy
On 20/09/10 15:46, seth vidal wrote: > On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 15:45 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: >> On 20/09/10 14:16, seth vidal wrote: >>> repomanage -o /var/lib/yum/plugins/local | xargs rm -f >> >> Could this be added as a start up script? >> in /etc/rc.local > > up to you, but there's no reason

Re: Question: how to keep /var/lib/yum/plugins/local small?

2010-09-20 Thread seth vidal
On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 15:45 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 20/09/10 14:16, seth vidal wrote: > > repomanage -o /var/lib/yum/plugins/local | xargs rm -f > > Could this be added as a start up script? > in /etc/rc.local up to you, but there's no reason it couldn't be. -sv -- test mailing list

Re: Question: how to keep /var/lib/yum/plugins/local small?

2010-09-20 Thread Frank Murphy
On 20/09/10 14:16, seth vidal wrote: > repomanage -o /var/lib/yum/plugins/local | xargs rm -f Could this be added as a start up script? in /etc/rc.local -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of Fedora -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedo

Re: Grrr... modprobe.conf

2010-09-20 Thread Andre Robatino
Ralph Loader ihug.co.nz> writes: > Looks like it's a minor security hole too: > > $ ls -l /etc/modprobe.conf > -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 Jun 27 17:50 /etc/modprobe.conf >^^ Are you seeing this in F14? June 27 is pretty old. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsub

Re: Question: how to keep /var/lib/yum/plugins/local small?

2010-09-20 Thread seth vidal
On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 16:22 +0200, Joachim Backes wrote: > On 09/20/2010 03:16 PM, seth vidal wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 09:28 +0200, Joachim Backes wrote: > >> On 09/15/2010 08:04 AM, Steven Haigh wrote: > >>> What plugins do you have installed? I only get: > >>> > >>> # pwd > >>> /var/lib/y

Re: Question: how to keep /var/lib/yum/plugins/local small?

2010-09-20 Thread Joachim Backes
On 09/20/2010 03:16 PM, seth vidal wrote: > On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 09:28 +0200, Joachim Backes wrote: >> On 09/15/2010 08:04 AM, Steven Haigh wrote: >>> What plugins do you have installed? I only get: >>> >>> # pwd >>> /var/lib/yum >>> # du -hs * >>> 1.2Mhistory >>> 0 rpmdb-indexes >>> 4.0

Re: Grrr... modprobe.conf

2010-09-20 Thread seth vidal
On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 09:53 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > > > In the yum.log I see the time on modprobe.conf occurs > > > in a gap in the yum updates: > > > > > > Aug 25 19:37:56 Updated: xorg-x11-drv-aiptek-1.3.1-1.fc14.x86_64 > > > Aug 25 20:02:56 Updated: libgcc-4.5.1-1.fc14.x86_64 > > > > The f

Re: Grrr... modprobe.conf

2010-09-20 Thread Tom Horsley
> > In the yum.log I see the time on modprobe.conf occurs > > in a gap in the yum updates: > > > > Aug 25 19:37:56 Updated: xorg-x11-drv-aiptek-1.3.1-1.fc14.x86_64 > > Aug 25 20:02:56 Updated: libgcc-4.5.1-1.fc14.x86_64 > > The fix for https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=589593 was pushed

Re: Grrr... modprobe.conf

2010-09-20 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/9/20 Tom Horsley : > On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:49:30 +0100 > Adam Williamson wrote: > >> What's the last-touched date of your /etc/modprobe.conf ? Do you know >> when that is in relation to the lifetime of the install? > > Just poking around, I get the impression that it may have > happened near

2010-09-20 @ ** 15:00 UTC ** - Fedora QA meeting

2010-09-20 Thread James Laska
# Fedora Quality Assurance Meeting # Date: 2010-09-20 # Time: 15:00 UTC (11:00 EDT, 17:00 CEST) [1] # Location: #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net Greetings testers, With the Beta release candidate(s) being tested, and several new issues on the F14Beta list, let's spend a few minutes talking thr

Re: Grrr... modprobe.conf

2010-09-20 Thread Andre Robatino
Tom Horsley gmail.com> writes: > Interesting that on my system at least, the file isn't world > writable. I hadn't noticed that before. Maybe there are multiple > ways it can get created, or maybe some process is inheriting > a umask that might be different? (The /spare partition is where I > hav

Re: Question: how to keep /var/lib/yum/plugins/local small?

2010-09-20 Thread seth vidal
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 09:28 +0200, Joachim Backes wrote: > On 09/15/2010 08:04 AM, Steven Haigh wrote: > > What plugins do you have installed? I only get: > > > > # pwd > > /var/lib/yum > > # du -hs * > > 1.2Mhistory > > 0 rpmdb-indexes > > 4.0Kuuid > > 9.0Myumdb > > >

Re: Grrr... modprobe.conf

2010-09-20 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:49:30 +0100 Adam Williamson wrote: > What's the last-touched date of your /etc/modprobe.conf ? Do you know > when that is in relation to the lifetime of the install? Just poking around, I get the impression that it may have happened near the first round of updates after I d

Re: Grrr... modprobe.conf

2010-09-20 Thread drago01
2010/9/20 Michał Piotrowski : > 2010/9/20 Bryn M. Reeves : >> On 09/20/2010 01:37 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: >>> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:56:56 +0200 >>> Michał Piotrowski wrote: >>> You can blacklist the firewall modules - it can be critical :) >>> >>> Actually, I think you can run any arbitrary co

Re: Grrr... modprobe.conf

2010-09-20 Thread Andre Robatino
Richard Shaw gmail.com> writes: > I have some anecdotal evidence. I installed F13 (x86_64) on my dad's > computer this weekend. I did not see the empty modprobe.conf until > after I did a kernel update. The only packages I updated was the > kernel and the firmware package at that time. It could

Re: Grrr... modprobe.conf

2010-09-20 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/9/20 Richard Shaw : > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> So, if this bug is valid as described it's a significant security issue. >> However, I'm not sure it's simple. I've just checked, and none of my F14 >> test spins (basically RC2) have a modprobe.conf booted live.

Re: Grrr... modprobe.conf

2010-09-20 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/9/20 Bryn M. Reeves : > On 09/20/2010 01:37 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: >> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:56:56 +0200 >> Michał Piotrowski wrote: >> >>> You can blacklist the firewall modules - it can be critical :) >> >> Actually, I think you can run any arbitrary command to >> load a module, Or pass any

Re: Grrr... modprobe.conf

2010-09-20 Thread Richard Shaw
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > So, if this bug is valid as described it's a significant security issue. > However, I'm not sure it's simple. I've just checked, and none of my F14 > test spins (basically RC2) have a modprobe.conf booted live. The clean > installed system

Re: Grrr... modprobe.conf

2010-09-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 08:35 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:08:43 -0400 > Tom Horsley wrote: > > > After all these years, something from the fedora repos > > (the only ones I have active in my F14 partition) is still > > creating an (empty) /etc/modprobe.conf file. > > Well, I

Re: Grrr... modprobe.conf

2010-09-20 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
On 09/20/2010 01:37 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:56:56 +0200 > Michał Piotrowski wrote: > >> You can blacklist the firewall modules - it can be critical :) > > Actually, I think you can run any arbitrary command to > load a module, so it is probably a gigantic security > hole.

Re: Grrr... modprobe.conf

2010-09-20 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:56:56 +0200 Michał Piotrowski wrote: > You can blacklist the firewall modules - it can be critical :) Actually, I think you can run any arbitrary command to load a module, so it is probably a gigantic security hole. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsu

Re: Grrr... modprobe.conf

2010-09-20 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:08:43 -0400 Tom Horsley wrote: > After all these years, something from the fedora repos > (the only ones I have active in my F14 partition) is still > creating an (empty) /etc/modprobe.conf file. Well, I found something with a grep -r of the whole f14 partition :-). https:

rawhide report: 20100920 changes

2010-09-20 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Mon Sep 20 08:15:35 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- almanah-0.7.3-3.fc14.x86_64 requires libedataserverui-1.2.so.10()(64bit) antlr3-python-3.1.2-7.fc14.noarch requires python(abi) = 0:2.6 claws-ma

Re: Grrr... modprobe.conf

2010-09-20 Thread Andre Robatino
Tom Horsley gmail.com> writes: > After all these years, something from the fedora repos > (the only ones I have active in my F14 partition) is still > creating an (empty) /etc/modprobe.conf file. It's definitely not the system-config-network bug, since that's now fixed in everything except F12,

Re: Grrr... modprobe.conf

2010-09-20 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/9/20 Bryn M. Reeves : > On 09/20/2010 06:43 AM, Ralph Loader wrote: >> >>> After all these years, something from the fedora repos >>> (the only ones I have active in my F14 partition) is still >>> creating an (empty) /etc/modprobe.conf file. >> >> Looks like it's a minor security hole too: > >

Re: Grrr... modprobe.conf

2010-09-20 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
On 09/20/2010 06:43 AM, Ralph Loader wrote: > >> After all these years, something from the fedora repos >> (the only ones I have active in my F14 partition) is still >> creating an (empty) /etc/modprobe.conf file. > > Looks like it's a minor security hole too: Not sure I'd call that minor consid

Re: F14 Beta RC2 comments

2010-09-20 Thread Joachim Backes
On 09/20/2010 09:27 AM, cornel panceac wrote: > > > 2010/9/19 John Watzke mailto:watz...@gmail.com>> > > > Having found a mostly reliable workaround for the FlushCache > problem, > the installer for RC2 is now booting without recognizing mouse > clicks. >

Re: F14 Beta RC2 comments

2010-09-20 Thread cornel panceac
2010/9/19 John Watzke > > Having found a mostly reliable workaround for the FlushCache problem, >> the installer for RC2 is now booting without recognizing mouse clicks. >> ABout 2/3 of the time it will move the mouse pointer but won't accept any >> button presses. >> >> > BTW, do you already hav