Fedora 14 updates-testing report

2010-09-16 Thread updates
The following builds have been pushed to Fedora 14 updates-testing bind-9.7.2-1.fc14 bro-1.5.1-1.fc14 bti-028-1.fc14 contacts-0.12-2.fc14 dovecot-2.0.2-1.fc14 erlang-R14B-0.1.fc14 etckeeper-0.49-1.fc14 ghc-Boolean-0.0.1-1.fc14 ghc-gio-0.11.1-2.fc14 ghc-text-

Re: Not too impressed with the quality of F14 at this time

2010-09-16 Thread Karel Volný
On Tuesday 14 of September 2010 01:05:57 Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 21:27 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > I'm not so sure we have any Intel ninja on board with us > > so.. ( we got David for radeon and Ben for nouveau ) > > Intel keeps hiring them away from us =) m

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-16 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 09/16/2010 06:38 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > A first step here would be to finish and get approved the systemd unit > files packaging guidelines: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Systemd_Packaging_Draft > Great page with good questions btw. From the look at that page the first thing that nee

Re: nss in updates-testing - more problems

2010-09-16 Thread Genes MailLists
On 09/16/2010 02:38 PM, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > > nss-tools package does not provide any of those; just a bunch of > utilities. > Mea culpa - I had simply done a yum list installed | egrep nss to see what was installed and added the i686 versions ... I erased nss-tools.i686 and for good

Re: nss in updates-testing - more problems

2010-09-16 Thread Michal Jaegermann
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 01:16:42PM -0400, Genes MailLists wrote: > > I have sometimes to run 32 bit apps as there is as yet no 64 bit version. > > So, for me, all I need is the right suite of 32 bit runtime libs to be > available. It is not very likely that you need nss-tools.i686 for such p

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-16 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:26:30 + "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: ...snip... > Not to worry thou we have a big thing ahead of us and that's to > create/convert all Fedora SysVinit files to native SystemD files. ( > Somewhere between 500 - 600 of those ) I am in the midst of writing > the wikip

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-16 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 09/16/2010 04:11 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 21:31 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> On 09/16/2010 09:03 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: >>> "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" (johan...@gmail.com) said: Well Lennart is one and half and what Bill has been saying from the get go i

Re: nss in updates-testing - more problems

2010-09-16 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:16:42 -0400, Genes wrote: > On 09/16/2010 12:57 PM, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > > I have sometimes to run 32 bit apps as there is as yet no 64 bit version. That doesn't answer what you need nss-tools.i686 for. It contains only executables, no libraries. Use nss-tools.x86_

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-16 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
Micha? Piotrowski wrote: > I mean systemd and all boot scripts. Wonderful! This is definitely nice for consumers who have already made the transition to the future and do not care to regress. As for rawhide, it is definitely experimental, but to use it as a day-to-day system is not always prac

Re: nss in updates-testing - more problems

2010-09-16 Thread Genes MailLists
On 09/16/2010 12:57 PM, Michal Jaegermann wrote: I have sometimes to run 32 bit apps as there is as yet no 64 bit version. So, for me, all I need is the right suite of 32 bit runtime libs to be available. What I have been doing so far is ldd'ing the apps and figuring out what needs to be

Re: nss in updates-testing - more problems

2010-09-16 Thread Genes MailLists
On 09/16/2010 12:49 PM, seth vidal wrote: > multilib_policy=all > > in yum.conf [main] > > it's in the man page. > > -sv > > To be clear - lets say I do a clean 64 bit install. Then I edit the yum.conf - add the above as you suggest. yum update does not install any 32 bit libs (or apps

Re: nss in updates-testing - more problems

2010-09-16 Thread Genes MailLists
On 09/16/2010 12:49 PM, seth vidal wrote: >> What do you recommend I do now to clean up - Heres what I have >> installed (those whose names start with nss): > > multilib_policy=all > > in yum.conf [main] > > it's in the man page. > > -sv > > Great thanks - I had man yum (instead of yum.c

Re: heads-up: upstart reversion coming soon

2010-09-16 Thread seth vidal
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 11:51 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 18:41 -0400, Richard Ryniker wrote: > > > since the current justification for having stable releases at all > > > is 'to handle upgrade cases we can't handle with yum' > > > > What about installation from media such

Re: nss in updates-testing - more problems

2010-09-16 Thread Michal Jaegermann
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:24:30AM -0400, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 09/16/2010 09:48 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > So, you should not have installed nss-tools.i686 manually. > > Ah - but yum update did not work without installing it. I imagine when > I added the i686 libs - I did not do it ri

Re: nss in updates-testing - more problems

2010-09-16 Thread seth vidal
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 10:24 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 09/16/2010 09:48 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > So, you should not have installed nss-tools.i686 manually. > > Ah - but yum update did not work without installing it. I imagine when > I added the i686 libs - I did not do it right ...

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-16 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/9/16 Rahul Sundaram : >  On 09/16/2010 09:41 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > >> All this is extra work that will distract from making systemd more >> successful in F15... of course, if you want to do it, go for it. > > I think providing a way for F14 users to test and provide feedback on systemd

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-16 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 09/16/2010 09:41 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > All this is extra work that will distract from making systemd more > successful in F15... of course, if you want to do it, go for it. I think providing a way for F14 users to test and provide feedback on systemd would actually help systemd be mor

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-16 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:11:21PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > How about setting up a systemd repo in repos.fedorapeople.org? > All this is extra work that will distract from making systemd more > successful in F15... of course, if you want to do it, go for it. If we can't concentrate on de

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-16 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 21:31 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 09/16/2010 09:03 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" (johan...@gmail.com) said: > >> Well Lennart is one and half and what Bill has been saying from the get > >> go is the other, that is to allow people to pick their

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-16 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 09/16/2010 09:03 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" (johan...@gmail.com) said: >> Well Lennart is one and half and what Bill has been saying from the get >> go is the other, that is to allow people to pick their own set of >> breakage in init system is really a bad idea. Tr

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-16 Thread Bill Nottingham
"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" (johan...@gmail.com) said: > Well Lennart is one and half and what Bill has been saying from the get > go is the other, that is to allow people to pick their own set of > breakage in init system is really a bad idea. Trying to patch and > supporting and updating both is

F-14 Branched report: 20100916 changes

2010-09-16 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Thu Sep 16 13:15:27 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- RackTables-0.18.3-1.fc14.noarch requires /usr/local/bin/php RackTables-0.18.3-1.fc14.noarch requires perl(File::FnMatch) 1:anjuta-2.30.0.0-2.fc1

Re: nss in updates-testing - more problems

2010-09-16 Thread Genes MailLists
On 09/16/2010 09:48 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > So, you should not have installed nss-tools.i686 manually. Ah - but yum update did not work without installing it. I imagine when I added the i686 libs - I did not do it right ... I could find no clean way to make the box multiarch aside from ad

Re: nss in updates-testing - more problems

2010-09-16 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:09:35 -0400, Genes wrote: > I dont see a nss-tools.i686 for version > 3.12.7-2 perhaps that is a problem ? There is no nss-tools.i686 in any of the x86_64 repos. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/nspr-4.8.6-1.fc13,nss-util-3.12.7-2.fc13,nss-softokn-3.12.7-6.fc13,ns

Re: nss in updates-testing - more problems

2010-09-16 Thread Genes MailLists
On 09/16/2010 09:09 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 09/16/2010 08:58 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > >> >> Then let Yum handle it instead of asking explicitly for i686 or x86_64. > >Thats where I started last week .. and this was an attempt to see if > I could get further. > > . what is broken

Re: nss in updates-testing - more problems

2010-09-16 Thread Genes MailLists
On 09/16/2010 08:58 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > Then let Yum handle it instead of asking explicitly for i686 or x86_64. Thats where I started last week .. and this was an attempt to see if I could get further. . what is broken here ? rpm, yum or the >> packages ? > > What's strange her

Re: nss in updates-testing - more problems

2010-09-16 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 08:40:20 -0400, Genes wrote: > > I have both 64 and 32 bit libs installed. Then let Yum handle it instead of asking explicitly for i686 or x86_64. > > > > Error: Package: nss-tools-3.12.6-12.fc13.i686 > (@/nss-tools-3

Re: system-config-display error???

2010-09-16 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 09/16/2010 05:36 PM, Jan Wildeboer wrote: > On 09/16/2010 02:05 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> s-c-display is now orphaned and noone has picked it up fyi > Shouldn't it be removed from the repo in that case? > That's the difference between orphaned and retired. Someone should file a request w

nss in updates-testing - more problems

2010-09-16 Thread Genes MailLists
I have both 64 and 32 bit libs installed. - (Try 1) - yum --enablerepo=updates-testing update nss nspr nss-tools Error: Package: nss-tools-3.12.6-12.fc13.i686 (@/nss-tool

rawhide report: 20100916 changes

2010-09-16 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Thu Sep 16 08:15:26 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- ale-0.9.0.3-2.fc14.x86_64 requires libMagickCore.so.3()(64bit) almanah-0.7.3-3.fc14.x86_64 requires libedataserverui-1.2.so.10()(64bit) antlr3-p

Re: system-config-display error???

2010-09-16 Thread Jan Wildeboer
On 09/16/2010 02:05 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > s-c-display is now orphaned and noone has picked it up fyi Shouldn't it be removed from the repo in that case? jan -- Jan H Wildeboer| EMEA Open Source Affairs | Office: +49 (0)89 205071-207 Red Hat GmbH |

Re: system-config-display error???

2010-09-16 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 3:28 AM, Rob Healey wrote: > > [r...@localhost ~]# system-config-display > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py", line 27, in > import xf86config > File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/xf86config.py", line 1, in

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-16 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 09/16/2010 10:50 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: >>> > > No it wont >> > >> > Where in the 9 effing hecks did you come up with that piece of >> > knowledge? I have seen multiple devels say it will be so I kind of >> > expect the people putting code together will know whats going on. > Johann

Re: heads-up: upstart reversion coming soon

2010-09-16 Thread Rudolf Kastl
2010/9/15 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" : >  On 09/15/2010 02:26 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote: >> Hypothetical example: >> >> - F-14 has systemd-10 in the repo >> - there's some bug in an included systemd service file in an app that >>    needs fixed. >> - oops, to do that right requires an updated systemd

Re: heads-up: upstart reversion coming soon

2010-09-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 19:37 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:24:47PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: > > ...or, since the current justification for having stable releases at all > > is 'to handle upgrade cases we can't handle with yum', have a new stable > > release only when

Re: heads-up: upstart reversion coming soon

2010-09-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 18:41 -0400, Richard Ryniker wrote: > > since the current justification for having stable releases at all > > is 'to handle upgrade cases we can't handle with yum' > > What about installation from media such as DVD for users who cannot > reasonably access more than a gigabyte

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 16:40 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > 2010/9/15 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" : > > On 09/15/2010 08:44 PM, Horst H. von Brand wrote: > >> Matthew Miller wrote: > >>> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:41:36AM -0600, Petrus de Calguarium wrote: > Is this all I need to do in orde

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-16 Thread Dennis J.
On 09/16/2010 12:10 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: >On 09/16/2010 09:39 AM, Dennis J. wrote: >> On 09/16/2010 12:23 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: >>> Lennart may very well choose to delay systemd until F16 since the window >>> of opportunity of having the necessary community resources

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-16 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 09/16/2010 09:39 AM, Dennis J. wrote: > On 09/16/2010 12:23 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: >> Lennart may very well choose to delay systemd until F16 since the window >> of opportunity of having the necessary community resources dedicated to >> systemd has passed . > Wow. In one moment sys

[Test-Announce] Fedora 14 Beta TC1 Recap

2010-09-16 Thread He Rui
Greetings testers, Again, thanks to the hard working of developers, release engineers and testers, F-14-Beta-TC1 was posted and the tests have been executed. Here I summarize the test results from installation and desktop sides grouped by release criterion: * *Installatio

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-16 Thread Dennis J.
On 09/16/2010 12:23 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > Lennart may very well choose to delay systemd until F16 since the window > of opportunity of having the necessary community resources dedicated to > systemd has passed . Wow. In one moment systemd is ready to be included as a critical compon

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-16 Thread Martin Sourada
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 10:07 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 16/09/10 04:51, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:25:40PM +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: > >> > >> No problems here with network service. > > > > See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=630225 and > > duplicates.

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-16 Thread Frank Murphy
On 16/09/10 04:51, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:25:40PM +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: >> >> No problems here with network service. > > See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=630225 and > duplicates. > >Michal Yeah, I have NM uninstalled. -- Regards, Frank Murp