Re: Some or all of your votes have been removed

2010-09-02 Thread Kamil Paral
- "Kevin Fenzi" wrote: > > I'll repost what I posted to devel just a few ago. > Sorry for any confusion. I didn't think it would be sending emails, > and > particularly with such a poor subject. ;( > > > Has it been disabled recently? > > Short answer: Yes. It has. > > Longer answer:

Re: firefox always starts offline

2010-09-02 Thread cornel panceac
> > If NetworkManager stops your network stops, period. Firefox, Evolution > and Empathy for sure depend on it and eventually everything will. You > can frob an undocumented option on Firefox's about:config screen but no > known fix exists for the others. > > Solution: Troubleshoot your NetworkMa

Re: Why was a kernel-2.6.34 pushed to updates that had un-addressed bugs.

2010-09-02 Thread John Morris
On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 14:17 +0200, Dennis J. wrote: > What I would like to see is a distinction between regressions and other > bugs. There are a least two reasons why this might be worthwhile: > > 1. Regressions break functionality that has been known to work previously > and the users already

Re: firefox always starts offline

2010-09-02 Thread John Morris
On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 08:50 +0300, cornel panceac wrote: > something strange happens on one of my test pcs running f14 (updated). > firefox always starts in offline mode. i uncheck work offline and > eevrythings fine until i close and start again firefox, when it's in > offline mode again. what cou

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 14 Blocker Bug Review Meeting 2010-09-03 @ 16:00 UTC (12 PM EST)

2010-09-02 Thread John Poelstra
CORRECTION Friday, 2010-09-03 > When: Friday, 2010-09-02 @ 16:00 UTC (12 PM EST) > Where: #fedora-bugzappers on irc.freenode.net > > Here are the current bugs listed as blocking the Beta release. We'll be > discussing all of these to determine if they meet the criteria, should > stay on the list,

[Test-Announce] Fedora 14 Blocker Bug Review Meeting 2010-09-02 @ 16:00 UTC (12 PM EST)

2010-09-02 Thread John Poelstra
When: Friday, 2010-09-02 @ 16:00 UTC (12 PM EST) Where: #fedora-bugzappers on irc.freenode.net Here are the current bugs listed as blocking the Beta release. We'll be discussing all of these to determine if they meet the criteria, should stay on the list, and are getting the attention they nee

Re: Some or all of your votes have been removed

2010-09-02 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 19:06:14 + (UTC) Andre Robatino wrote: > Not that it matters now, but it probably would have been better to > allow just one vote apiece, not an arbitrary number. Having said > that, using CC or comments is probably a better way since it happens > automatically. CC might be

Fedora 12 updates-testing report

2010-09-02 Thread updates
The following builds have been pushed to Fedora 12 updates-testing CVector-1.0.3-1.5Aug09.fc12 NetworkManager-0.8.1-6.git20100831.fc12 R-qtl-1.18.7-1.fc12 bdii-5.1.8-1.fc12 cherokee-1.0.8-2.fc12 cntlm-0.35.1-4.fc12 cryptopp-5.6.1-1.fc12 eclipse-3.5.1-23.fc12 flu

Fedora 13 updates-testing report

2010-09-02 Thread updates
The following builds have been pushed to Fedora 13 updates-testing CVector-1.0.3-1.5Aug09.fc13 NetworkManager-0.8.1-6.git20100831.fc13 PackageKit-0.6.6-2.fc13 R-qtl-1.18.7-1.fc13 bdii-5.1.8-1.fc13 cherokee-1.0.8-2.fc13 cntlm-0.35.1-4.fc13 cryptopp-5.6.1-1.fc13 f

Re: FTBFS triage request

2010-09-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 23:42:04 +0530, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: > > Ok, but what good is a build if it has not been pushed out through > bodhi? Couldn't we have another option, like successful builds being > auto-pushed or something? I know that auto-pushing is probably not a > very good idea

Re: Why was a kernel-2.6.34 pushed to updates that had un-addressed bugs.

2010-09-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 12:09 -0700, Scott Doty wrote: > Anyway, I could say more -- but I've probably already shown how bananas > my ideas can be. It's not bananas, it's just a lot of work that no-one's done yet - well, actually, it's implemented quite well in Launchpad, but most things don't use

Re: [Fedora QA] #104: F14 systemd Test Day

2010-09-02 Thread Fedora QA
#104: F14 systemd Test Day ---+ Reporter: adamwill | Owner: adamwill Type: defect| Status: assigned Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 14 Component: Test Day | Version:

Re: Why was a kernel-2.6.34 pushed to updates that had un-addressed bugs.

2010-09-02 Thread Scott Doty
On 09/02/2010 11:16 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > There's no guarantee the bug will get closed even if the problem is > fixed, unless someone else has the same hardware as you and is testing. > A fix may come down from upstream without being recognized specifically > as a fix for this particular

Re: Some or all of your votes have been removed

2010-09-02 Thread Andre Robatino
Kevin Fenzi scrye.com> writes: > > Has it been disabled recently? > > Short answer: Yes. It has. > > Longer answer: > > FESCo looked at trying to use voting data to give us an idea on 'hot' > bugs that we might be able to send more resources to fix. Sadly, voting > isn't at all good for th

Re: Some or all of your votes have been removed

2010-09-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 14:56 -0400, Jan Wildeboer wrote: > IMHO it is an unfortunate decision. But I understand the reasoning. > > Take a look at how google handles this for android. > > Very simple solution which would adapt to our bugzilla like this: > > - once you are logged in to Bugzilla, yo

Re: Some or all of your votes have been removed

2010-09-02 Thread Jan Wildeboer
IMHO it is an unfortunate decision. But I understand the reasoning. Take a look at how google handles this for android. Very simple solution which would adapt to our bugzilla like this: - once you are logged in to Bugzilla, you can "star" a bug. - you can star/unstar at any time - so you have as

Re: Why was a kernel-2.6.34 pushed to updates that had un-addressed bugs.

2010-09-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 17:09 +1000, Rodd Clarkson wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Matthias Runge > wrote: > > > > Although I think, this is the wrong way, putting > exclude=kernel-* > in your /etc/yum.conf will exclude the kernel fro

Re: Why was a kernel-2.6.34 pushed to updates that had un-addressed bugs.

2010-09-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 16:24 +1000, Rodd Clarkson wrote: > Ah, and here I guess lies the problem. The email from the fedora > engineers (some weeks ago) quite clearly stated not to give this > kernel karma points so that it didn't get pushed until they were sure > it wouldn't cause issues, so I ha

Re: FTBFS triage request

2010-09-02 Thread Siddhesh Poyarekar
On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 10:52:48AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 19:17:13 +0530, > Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: > > > > I had just started working on this, but I noticed that in some cases > > the builds were not pushed as updates. Should these be closed as > > CURRENTREL

Re: FTBFS triage request

2010-09-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 19:17:13 +0530, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: > > I had just started working on this, but I noticed that in some cases > the builds were not pushed as updates. Should these be closed as > CURRENTRELEASE? When I was getting more time to work on this I was doing things both w

cannot firefox in F14

2010-09-02 Thread Felix Miata
# yum install firefox Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, langpacks, presto Adding en_US to language list Determining fastest mirrors rawhide/metalink | 13 kB 00:00 * rawhide: hpc.arc.georgetown.edu http://hpc.arc.georgetown.edu/mirror/fedora/development/rawhide/

Re: Some or all of your votes have been removed

2010-09-02 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 08:16:00 -0400 Scott Robbins wrote: > On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 09:29:40AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" > wrote: > > Never seen any option for voting on bugs in bugzilla and > > seriously doubt the use of it's existence because maintainers would > > ignore that just as well a

F-14 Branched report: 20100902 changes

2010-09-02 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Thu Sep 2 13:15:31 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.i686 requires libgnarl-4.4.so PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.i686 requires libgnat-4.4.so PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.x86_64 req

Re: FTBFS triage request

2010-09-02 Thread Siddhesh Poyarekar
On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 08:29:48AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 10:04:50 +0300, > Alexander Kurtakov wrote: > > Hi testers, > > This is stronly a developer request. > > I'm watching the FTBFS list in bugzilla because I'm trying to fix base java > > FTBFS using my prov

Re: FTBFS triage request

2010-09-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 10:04:50 +0300, Alexander Kurtakov wrote: > Hi testers, > This is stronly a developer request. > I'm watching the FTBFS list in bugzilla because I'm trying to fix base java > FTBFS using my provenpackager status. But the list currently is more than 200 > bugs which make

Re: Why was a kernel-2.6.34 pushed to updates that had un-addressed bugs.

2010-09-02 Thread Dennis J.
On 09/02/2010 02:39 PM, drago01 wrote: > On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:27 PM, cornel panceac wrote: >> >> >> 2010/9/2 drago01 >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Dennis J. wrote: >>> 2. Regressions can be easier to fix because you have a "known to work" case you can use as a compari

Re: Why was a kernel-2.6.34 pushed to updates that had un-addressed bugs.

2010-09-02 Thread cornel panceac
2010/9/2 drago01 > On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:27 PM, cornel panceac wrote: > >> > > that's one of the many reasons testers' work should not just be > discarded. > > Where did I say that? > > > they have a lot of hardware and a lot of time the developers can not > > possibly have. also they are mor

Re: Why was a kernel-2.6.34 pushed to updates that had un-addressed bugs.

2010-09-02 Thread drago01
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:27 PM, cornel panceac wrote: > > > 2010/9/2 drago01 >> >> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Dennis J. wrote: >> >> > 2. Regressions can be easier to fix because you have a "known to work" >> > case >> > you can use as a comparison. If bugs could be flagged as regression th

Re: Why was a kernel-2.6.34 pushed to updates that had un-addressed bugs.

2010-09-02 Thread cornel panceac
2010/9/2 drago01 > On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Dennis J. wrote: > > > 2. Regressions can be easier to fix because you have a "known to work" > case > > you can use as a comparison. If bugs could be flagged as regression then > > developers you potentially look at these first right after the

Re: Why was a kernel-2.6.34 pushed to updates that had un-addressed bugs.

2010-09-02 Thread drago01
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Dennis J. wrote: > 2. Regressions can be easier to fix because you have a "known to work" case > you can use as a comparison. If bugs could be flagged as regression then > developers you potentially look at these first right after the regressions > occurred and pro

Re: Why was a kernel-2.6.34 pushed to updates that had un-addressed bugs.

2010-09-02 Thread Dennis J.
On 09/02/2010 12:35 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > To actually see the extent and identifying problem(s) and regressions ( > you could notice reporting trends with components ) and deal with it > accordingly we need to gather and make public bugzilla stats for > components. > > Making those s

Re: Some or all of your votes have been removed

2010-09-02 Thread Scott Robbins
On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 09:29:40AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > Never seen any option for voting on bugs in bugzilla and seriously > doubt the use of it's existence because maintainers would ignore that > just as well as if you start messing around with the priority levels and > sev

rawhide report: 20100902 changes

2010-09-02 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Thu Sep 2 08:15:32 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.i686 requires libgnarl-4.4.so PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.i686 requires libgnat-4.4.so PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.x86_64 req

Re: Why was a kernel-2.6.34 pushed to updates that had un-addressed bugs.

2010-09-02 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 04:24:37PM +1000, Rodd Clarkson wrote: > I'm really not happy with this entire process. I've also received an email > saying that my 99 votes have been removed because someone at fedora decided > to change the rules regarding my bug and voting and that my votes don't > coun

Re: Why was a kernel-2.6.34 pushed to updates that had un-addressed bugs.

2010-09-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 09/02/2010 09:56 AM, Dennis J. wrote: > I think the question is how regressions are prioritized. For me the issue > is that my Radeon card has been working perfectly on F11 but had a major > performance regression with F12 that makes the system too slow for regular > use. I filed a bug with lo

Re: Why was a kernel-2.6.34 pushed to updates that had un-addressed bugs.

2010-09-02 Thread drago01
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Rodd Clarkson wrote: > >> Anyhow, what a waste of time all around.  I spend a couple of painful >> hours booting and rebooting my system to try and isolate this bug and the >> developers couldn't take two minutes to mention that they needed to post the >> kernel and

Re: Why was a kernel-2.6.34 pushed to updates that had un-addressed bugs.

2010-09-02 Thread cornel panceac
2010/9/2 Dennis J. > On 09/02/2010 04:18 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 12:12 +1000, Rodd Clarkson wrote: > > > >> > >> It is however, perfectly reasonable to expect that having tried a > >> kernel at the request of a fedora developer on fedora-test-list and > >> then having

Re: Some or all of your votes have been removed

2010-09-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 09/02/2010 09:43 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: > I got one two, a 1 vote removed. > I only ever passed comments on bohdi? Are we talking about of voting in bugzilla or in bodhi ( or some other place ). I've never used nor ever seen any kind of option to vote in bugzilla so I'm a bit curious whe

Re: Why was a kernel-2.6.34 pushed to updates that had un-addressed bugs.

2010-09-02 Thread Dennis J.
On 09/02/2010 04:18 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 12:12 +1000, Rodd Clarkson wrote: > >> >> It is however, perfectly reasonable to expect that having tried a >> kernel at the request of a fedora developer on fedora-test-list and >> then having filed a bug against said kernel re

Re: Some or all of your votes have been removed

2010-09-02 Thread Frank Murphy
On 02/09/10 10:29, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > But I'm not surprised that your privileges got revoked on this voting > system if you went trigger happy on the voting and thus abused it's > existence and it's purpose one can even go so far and say you managed to > voted your self out of it :)

Re: Some or all of your votes have been removed

2010-09-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
Never seen any option for voting on bugs in bugzilla and seriously doubt the use of it's existence because maintainers would ignore that just as well as if you start messing around with the priority levels and severity levels. ( The priority levels are for them to set and use only ). But I'm

Some or all of your votes have been removed

2010-09-02 Thread Kamil Paral
Bugzilla has disabled voting, or what is it? Anyone knows? I no longer see any option to vote for a bug. - Forwarded Message - From: bugzi...@redhat.com To: kpa...@redhat.com Sent: Thursday, September 2, 2010 5:29:30 AM GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna Sub

Re: Why was a kernel-2.6.34 pushed to updates that had un-addressed bugs.

2010-09-02 Thread Andre Robatino
Rodd Clarkson clarkson.id.au> writes: > Ah, and here I guess lies the problem.  The email from the fedora engineers (some weeks ago) quite clearly > stated not to give this kernel karma points so that it didn't get pushed until they were sure it wouldn't cause > issues, so I haven't been giving i

Re: Why was a kernel-2.6.34 pushed to updates that had un-addressed bugs.

2010-09-02 Thread Rodd Clarkson
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Matthias Runge wrote: > > Although I think, this is the wrong way, putting > exclude=kernel-* > in your /etc/yum.conf will exclude the kernel from updating. > Thanks Matthias, I don't like excluding kernels either, but I don't need to be adding --exclude=kernel\*

FTBFS triage request

2010-09-02 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
Hi testers, This is stronly a developer request. I'm watching the FTBFS list in bugzilla because I'm trying to fix base java FTBFS using my provenpackager status. But the list currently is more than 200 bugs which makes it a bit hard to follow. And there are a number of bugs that have been fixed