Re: Need general help

2009-05-12 Thread nguyenq
You can use a user-friendly frontend for Tesseract on Linux. http://vietocr.sf.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "tesseract-ocr" group. To post to this group, send email to tesseract-ocr@googlegroup

Re: Please test 2.04 release candidate!

2009-06-05 Thread nguyenq
I successfully built the tesseract.sln solution without any problem using VS2008. The size of resultant tesseract.exe is 918KB. It runs faster than previous versions. I did not try the tesseract_2008.sln. Is it used in any situation? If not, consider its removal to avoid any confusion. On Jun 3,

Re: Please test 2.04 release candidate!

2009-06-05 Thread nguyenq
Tessnet2 2.04 works fine. On Jun 5, 9:20 am, Remi Thomas wrote: > Hi, > > You can take the .NET wrapper based on version > 2.04http://www.pixel-technology.com/freeware/tessnet2/bin.zip > Two modifications. > > SetRootPath has been removed and merge with Init > Init(string tessdataPath, string

Re: Please test 2.04 release candidate!

2009-06-05 Thread nguyenq
10:20 pm, 74yrs old wrote: > Perhaps you tesseract.exe of 918kb is "debug?" and  not "release". I also > compiled using VS2008,by clicking on tesseract_2008.sln of SVN tree with > setting to" release".  Result is tesseract.exe of  735kb. > > On Sa

Re: vietocr - supported Kannada - problem.

2009-06-14 Thread nguyenq
Sorry, the FontDialog was specifically designed to show only fonts that contain Vietnamese glyphs. I'll remove the filter to show all system fonts in the next release. It's not surprising since VietOCR GUI design was "inspired" by FreeOCR. ;-) By the way, what OS and version are you running it o

Re: grayscale ocr

2009-06-14 Thread nguyenq
You can try VietOCR, a frontend program to Tesseract OCR engine. http://vietocr.sf.net On Jun 14, 8:00 am, eddiec wrote: > Hi, > > I have some scanned images I am trying to OCR. The images are > grayscale and scanned from microfilm. The packages I have tried to OCR > the images with first conve

Re: VietOCR VS Softi

2009-06-18 Thread nguyenq
In what area can VietOCR be improved to make it more suitable? Please be as specific as possible. Thanks. On Jun 17, 8:24 am, svaram wrote: > well, assuming that its for English text , why not to > suggest the both and leave the choice to the user !!! > > personally, I feel vietOCR in its presen

Re: vietocr - supported Kannada - problem.

2009-06-20 Thread nguyenq
(76yrsold) > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 1:37 AM, nguyenq wrote: > > > Sorry, the FontDialog was specifically designed to show only fonts > > that contain Vietnamese glyphs. I'll remove the filter to show all > > system fonts in the next release. > > > It&#

Re: VietOCR VS Softi

2009-06-20 Thread nguyenq
ses. 6. You can use the scrollbars of the picturebox to scroll part of the image into visible view. Thank you for your comments. I'll try to incorporate any enhancements, if possible. Quan On Jun 19, 1:00 am, svaram wrote: > ^ Many Thanks nguyenq for the quick response . > > And wil

Re: vietocr - supported Kannada - problem.

2009-06-21 Thread nguyenq
fine. > With Best Wishes. > -sriranga(76yrsold) > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 9:19 AM, nguyenq wrote: > > > I've just released a new update with numerous improvements. The > > FontDialog now shows all system fonts. Please check it out. > > >http://vietocr.sf.n

Re: vietocr - supported Kannada - problem.

2009-06-21 Thread nguyenq
You may want to add an entry in ISO639-3.xml file under 'data' folder to have a user-friendly name for your language code. On Jun 21, 8:07 am, nguyenq wrote: > I had no problems recognizing the given image, kannada- > texttoimage.tif. I can't verify the text because my s

Re: VietOCR VS Softi

2009-06-21 Thread nguyenq
Perfectly understood. I was just trying to understand the requirements and determine whether they should be implemented or implementable. On Jun 21, 2:03 am, seshumiyapu...@yahoo.co.in wrote: > Many Thanks Mr Nguyenq for the detailed response . > > perhaps I should have clarified that

Re: vietocr - supported Kannada - problem.

2009-06-21 Thread nguyenq
layed. > Even previous version tested - which also gives same problem. In fact I have > installed jdk 6,.014 and jre6 but still gives trouble? Inspite of added in > xml as test "entrykey="tel">Telugu does not appear as "Telugu" in > ocr lang's. window. &g

Return codes and their descriptions

2009-07-01 Thread nguyenq
Does anyone know where I can find all the possible return (or error) codes that Tesseract may output, and their corresponding descriptions? For instance, 0 is returned for successful recognition. What about 1, 29, 31, or others? What do they mean? I want to display meaningful error messages when T

VietOCR v1.0.1 & VietOCR.NET v1.0 Releases

2009-08-01 Thread nguyenq
A Java/.NET GUI frontend for Tesseract OCR engine. Features: * Multi-platform (Java version only) o Windows o Solaris o Linux/Unix o Mac OS X o Others * TIFF, JPEG, GIF, PNG, BMP image formats * Multi-page images * Selection box

Re: VietOCR v1.0.1 & VietOCR.NET v1.0 Releases

2009-09-07 Thread nguyenq
Version 1.2 Beta just uploaded provides support for PDF. The new feature requires GPL Ghostscript. Please help test and post your feedback here. Thanks. http://sourceforge.net/projects/vietocr/files/ On Aug 1, 5:36 pm, nguyenq wrote: > A Java/.NET GUI frontend for Tesseract OCR eng

Re: VietOCR v1.0.1 & VietOCR.NET v1.0 Releases

2009-09-09 Thread nguyenq
The Java frontend should run on any OS that has Java 6 support. It has been tested on Windows and Linux (Ubuntu and Fedora). Some images would give Tesseract engine problems; it may be due to defects in the images. On Sep 8, 2:26 am, ashwani rawat wrote: > > Hello nguyenq

Re: VietOCR v1.0.1 & VietOCR.NET v1.0 Releases

2009-09-09 Thread nguyenq
A little bit more info on your configuration (OS, Ghostscript version installed, etc.) would be helpful in diagnosing the problem. Tks. Quan On Sep 8, 7:33 am, ashwani rawat wrote: > > Hello, > I have test this application. But when I give the path of PDF file it give > me error. > > error is >

Re: VietOCR v1.0.1 & VietOCR.NET v1.0 Releases

2009-09-10 Thread nguyenq
RTM. http://vietocr.sourceforge.net/usage.html On Sep 9, 10:49 am, Naga raja wrote: > can any one plz say how to run vietocr in UBUNTU .. just the steps .. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "tesseract

Re: VietOCR v1.0.1 & VietOCR.NET v1.0 Releases

2009-09-10 Thread nguyenq
Version 1.2 Java & .NET have been released with PDF support integrated. The feature requires GPL Ghostscript. http://vietocr.sf.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "tesseract-ocr" group. To post to th

Re: Punctuation boxes

2009-09-12 Thread nguyenq
Delete the two small boxes and bring up the top of the big box to enclose the diacritical mark. The end result would be a single bounding box. On Sep 12, 8:49 am, "M. Bashir Al-Noimi" wrote: > Hi All, > > I tried to train Tesseract for new language but I noticed that all > punctuation characters

Re: VietOCR v1.0.1 & VietOCR.NET v1.0 Releases

2009-10-04 Thread nguyenq
Version 1.3 Java & .NET have been released with numerous new features and improvements. http://vietocr.sf.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "tesseract-ocr" group. To post to this group, send email t

Re: VietOCR v1.0.1 & VietOCR.NET v1.0 Releases

2009-10-15 Thread nguyenq
Ashwani, I'm not sure if the program can be configured to work with Java Web Start. Did you verify that the entire package, including Tesseract and language data, was downloaded to the target machine? From the error message, it seems that it had problem loading JNA. Hope someone with JNLP experi

Re: VietOCR v1.0.1 & VietOCR.NET v1.0 Releases

2009-10-17 Thread nguyenq
Please help test version 1.4 Beta (both Java and .NET), which includes following new features: * Publish OCR interim results to produce more responsive UI performance, improving user experience * Support for cancellation of running OCR tasks * Merge PDF functionality http://vietocr.sf.net --~--~

Re: using MSdos script how to insert space(white space) between to characters in the NotePad?

2009-11-02 Thread nguyenq
You can use Notepad++ or jEdit to find and replace characters using Regex, as with Find "(.)" and Replace "$1 " or "\1 ", without the quotes. On Nov 2, 1:14 am, 74yrs old wrote: > Hi, > > I am facing problem how to *automate the function* of inserting space(white > space) between characters in t

Re: Which languages available with 3.0 release ?

2009-12-04 Thread nguyenq
If you look in the tessdata folder at http://tesseract-ocr.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ , there currently are more than two dozens. On Dec 2, 7:44 am, andmor wrote: > Hi, > > Which languages will be supported with the 3.0 release ? > On the TessearctProjects page, Ray says that Google are working o

Re: OCR and Vision Research

2009-12-15 Thread nguyenq
University of Nevada, Las Vegas, USA http://www.isri.unlv.edu/ On Dec 14, 1:13 am, raakeshvara rao wrote: > Hi, > > If I am looking at a career in OCR and Vision research, > which universities or research institutes in the world would be good > places to look at (say for a PhD)? > Especially for

VietOCR v1.5 (Java/.NET) Releases

2009-12-22 Thread nguyenq
A Java/.NET GUI frontend for Tesseract OCR engine. The releases include support for: - execution from command line - paste image from clipboard (Note: Screenshots or screen captures are typically only of 96 DPI, a resolution insufficient for OCR requirements.) - JPEG2000 and PNM image types (Java

Re: German Language files for freeocr.net

2010-01-04 Thread nguyenq
>From the Downloads page: http://code.google.com/p/tesseract-ocr/downloads/list On Jan 3, 5:30 pm, Rick wrote: > Hello.  I would like to use freeocr.net (which uses tesseract) for > German documents.  The program only came with files for English. > Additionally, the link to download more languag

Re: Extracting text from PDF

2010-01-04 Thread nguyenq
No, you would have to convert PDF to an image before feeding it to the OCR engine. Ghostscript supports such PDF conversion tasks. On Jan 4, 7:09 am, Eitan wrote: > Hi > > I am a newbie... > Is there a standard way to extract text from PDF using tesseract-ocr ? > > Thanks -- You received this m

Re: Ubntu 9.04. tesseract version 2.03, 204 and 3.0

2010-01-04 Thread nguyenq
I think you can set the location of tessdata via the environment variable TESSDATA_PREFIX for each instance. On Jan 4, 2:11 am, 76yrsold wrote: >  I have downloaded tesseract versions(all) viz 2.03 , 2,04 and 3.0. > and all compiled  in ubuntu 9.04 individually. and also installed > Kannada tessd

Re: Ubntu 9.04. tesseract version 2.03, 204 and 3.0

2010-01-05 Thread nguyenq
t; version? > > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:57 AM, nguyenq wrote: > > I think you can set the location of tessdata via the environment > > variable TESSDATA_PREFIX for each instance. > > > On Jan 4, 2:11 am, 76yrsold wrote: > > >  I have downloaded tesseract version

Re: Ubntu 9.04. tesseract version 2.03, 204 and 3.0

2010-01-07 Thread nguyenq
tessdata_prefix = "* Sriranga/ *" >  ./configure >  make > sudo make. > > 3)*for version 3.0* > tessdata_prefix = " *Sriranga/* " >  ./configure >  make > sudo make. > > With regards, > -sriranga(77yrsold) > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:16 A

Re: tesseract ocr .net wrapper demo

2010-03-09 Thread nguyenq
http://www.pixel-technology.com/freeware/tessnet2/ On Mar 9, 3:07 pm, mouthpiec wrote: > Hi, > > Can you please help me from where I can download the tesseract > ocr .net wrapper demo? > > I need to test this demo because currently I am developing a web- > service that take an image that contain

Re: Does anyone reading these posts below ???

2010-03-09 Thread nguyenq
I think I heard that this language auto-detection would be available in v3.0, but I could be wrong. In 2.0x, you ought to pick the correct language to have good recognition rates. On Mar 5, 2:29 am, Tule wrote: > I'm sorry to hear that. > This project really has potential. If the project is dead

Re: specify a font to improve tesseract's accuracy?

2010-03-09 Thread nguyenq
I don't think tesseract has this capability. Having a language data specifically trained to a font would absolutely help better the recognition rates. On Mar 7, 8:55 am, Jonah wrote: > Hi, > > If we know that our text is all, say, Arial, is it possible to tell > tesseract this to improve accuracy

Re: Segmentation violation

2010-03-09 Thread nguyenq
This is a known problem for 2.0.x. It's been mentioned numerous times in the group. On Mar 8, 11:12 am, Greg wrote: > Hello -- a fabulous program.  One tiny problem: if a filename isn't > Hello -- a fabulous program.  One tiny problem: if a filename isn't > specified with the extension '.tif', ev

Re: Cannot Make Tessnet2 Work

2010-03-17 Thread nguyenq
Take a look at this working application which uses tessnet2 library. http://vietocr.sf.net On Mar 16, 2:30 pm, dataintelligence wrote: > You need to install the language data and put that in the 'tessdata > path' text box. Look in the downloads for the language pack you want > (the sample image

Re: Specify specific areas within image to OCR

2010-03-17 Thread nguyenq
tessnet2 has a method that accepts as an argument a Rectangle object that defines a region that you want to recognize. There's no need to generate subimages. tessnet2.Tesseract.DoOCR(image, rect) On Mar 17, 10:47 am, dataintelligence wrote: > I just realized that I have put this in the wrong gro

Re: Cannot Make Tessnet2 Work

2010-03-18 Thread nguyenq
The source is available -- you did not look far enough. On Mar 18, 5:48 am, Sandro Zahra wrote: > Thanks but this contains only an installer :( > > On 18 March 2010 03:37, nguyenq wrote: > > > Take a look at this working application which uses tessnet2 library. > >

Re: More Languages for Tesseract 2.04

2010-03-21 Thread nguyenq
Those services are likely running Tesseract 3.0, whose supported language packs are located in tessdata folder @ http://tesseract-ocr.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ On Mar 21, 4:53 pm, elninom wrote: > I need more language pack like that: > Bulgarian, Catalan, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Finnish,

VietOCR v1.7 & VietOCR.NET v1.7 Releases

2010-04-15 Thread nguyenq
A Java/.NET GUI frontend for Tesseract OCR engine. The latest versions have been released with an emphasis on increased usability, making the application more user friendly. * Add provision to load UTF-8 text file into textbox * Add Recent Files submenu * Add Save button on toolbar * Fix scale fa

Re: Disable Special characters?

2010-04-16 Thread nguyenq
>From the page http://www.pixel-technology.com/freeware/tessnet2/ tessnet2.Tesseract ocr = new tessnet2.Tesseract(); ocr.SetVariable("tessedit_char_whitelist", "0123456789"); // If digit only which is consistent with that described in http://code.google.com/p/tesseract-ocr/wiki/FAQ On Apr 16, 4

Re: Disable Special characters?

2010-04-19 Thread nguyenq
Hi Pierre, The FAQ states that the SetVariable must be called before the Init function. Regards, Quan On Apr 18, 12:50 pm, MARTIN Pierre wrote: > Dear NGuyenQ, > > > From the pagehttp://www.pixel-technology.com/freeware/tessnet2/ > > tessnet2.Tesseract ocr = new

Re: VietOCR v1.7 & VietOCR.NET v1.7 Releases

2010-04-24 Thread nguyenq
VietOCR v2.0 Beta has been released with Tesseract 3.0 Beta. http://sourceforge.net/projects/vietocr/files/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "tesseract-ocr" group. To post to this group, send email to tesseract-...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe fro

Re: limit output to ASCII charset

2010-05-25 Thread nguyenq
You can perform some text manipulations in post-processing steps to strip out diacritical marks to leave only the base ASCII characters behind. On May 25, 3:34 pm, haratron wrote: > http://www.linux.com/archive/feed/57222 > "Also, it can generate output only in the US-ASCII character set, so > gl

Tesseract 3.0 on Windows

2010-05-27 Thread nguyenq
Has anyone had successes in getting the latest baseline, r376, to run on Windows? The code has compiled clean; however, the program would crash upon execution. I incorporated dtorne's patch to tesseractmain.cpp (Issue 304) and have been able to get it to run and recognize images successfully, but

Re: VietOCR problem: "Errors occured."

2010-06-20 Thread nguyenq
The problem is usually the other way around, but I'll need the problematic image to investigate the issue. VietOCR 2.0 (currently in beta) starts supporting Tesseract 3.0, which supports multi-column documents. You might want to try that version to see if it would work better for you. Quan On Jun

Re: need help converting .jpg files to .tif for OCR

2010-07-04 Thread nguyenq
If your images are at least 200 DPI, you can use VietOCR, which can accept various common image formats as input -- no conversion to TIFF is needed. http://vietocr.sf.net On Jul 4, 4:47 pm, "fontenot.1031" wrote: > > You'll need to upscale the image.  Before reducing it to > > Thanks for respond

Re: need help converting .jpg files to .tif for OCR

2010-07-08 Thread nguyenq
After splitting your CamusLetranger.pdf file into 50-page sections, I fed into VietOCR (2.0 Beta), which uses GhostScript to convert PDF to PNG format, and got this result which seems acceptable: I AuJoURD'HU1, maman est morte. Ou peut-être hier, je ne sais pas. fai reçu un télégramme de l'asi1e :

Re: problem with tessnet loading (any suggestion?)

2008-10-18 Thread nguyenq
It has been mentioned in one of previous posts that the solution to this problem is to install Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 SP1 Redistributable Package. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=200b2fd9-ae1a-4a14-984d-389c36f85647&displaylang=en On Oct 17, 11:26 pm, Hasnat <[EMAIL P

Re: Tessnet2 DLL with C#.NET 2.0, bad OCR results

2008-10-18 Thread nguyenq
I read somewhere that screenshots would not be good enough for any OCR because of their low resolutions, 96 DPI I think. Try images with 200 DPI or higher. On Oct 10, 12:51 am, benj588 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: just screenshots of messageboxes from my system.  I was using these to> > test with a

Re: windows xp executable for 2.03

2008-10-27 Thread nguyenq
VietOCR bundles a copy of Tesseract-2.03 Windows executable. http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=230717&package_id=279650 On Oct 26, 12:24 pm, spackmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, > > I've been searching the group and I found a few (what seemed to be) > relevant posts on

Re: PDF image problem

2008-11-03 Thread nguyenq
You will need to first convert PDF to one of the supported image formats (tif, bmp, etc.). On Nov 3, 12:30 am, ABB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi > > I have given one pdf image as input ..i got this error in log file: > > "read_variables_file:Can't open C:/Documents and Settings/Desktop/ > VietO

VietOCR v0.9.6 & VietOCR.NET v0.6 Releases

2008-11-03 Thread nguyenq
Java & .NET GUI frontend for Tesseract OCR engine. Provides character recognition support for TIFF, JPEG, GIF, PNG, BMP image formats, and multi-page images. The latest releases include: * Integrated scanning support via WIA Automation Library v2.0 * Localization of UI * Fixed an err

Re: VietOCR v0.9.6 & VietOCR.NET v0.6 Releases

2008-11-03 Thread nguyenq
gt; Is it ;possible to use your Java GUI frontend for  Kannada also and if so > how to do?.  This is first time I am using Java - which is new to me. > With Regards, > -sriranga(76yrsold) > > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 4:56 AM, nguyenq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >

Re: VietOCR v0.9.6 & VietOCR.NET v0.6 Releases

2008-11-04 Thread nguyenq
WinMerge can compare two UTF-8-encoded text files with ease. http://sourceforge.net/projects/winmerge/ On Nov 3, 11:23 pm, "74yrs old" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > Whether  compare two text files(utf-8) program is available? > In the output text mispelling of characters with reference to i

Re: VietOCR v0.9.6 & VietOCR.NET v0.6 Releases

2008-11-04 Thread nguyenq
so we too will > benefit from the installation of Tesseract GUI in Java. > > Hussein Al-Hussein > > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:29:15 +0530From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL > PROTECTED]: Re: VietOCR v0.9.6 & VietOCR.NET v0.6 ReleasesHi Nguyenq,Thanks > for the information. I shall

Re: Tesseract 2.03

2008-11-16 Thread nguyenq
It's bundled with VietOCR (http://sf.net/projects/vietocr), or you can download just it from http://vietocr.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/vietocr/VietOCR/trunk/tesseract/ . On Nov 16, 7:22 am, Vetkop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi do you guys know where I can get the Tesseract2.03 exe? I don't > k

Re: How to use tesseract-2.03

2008-11-17 Thread nguyenq
Take a look at http://vietocr.sf.net and http://code.google.com/p/tesjeract/ . On Nov 17, 6:04 am, sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i am new to ocr tesseract. i want know how to install tesseract-2.03. > how to java application. > > thanks > sam --~--~-~--~~~---~--~---

Re: How to do Japanese?

2008-12-12 Thread nguyenq
Some people want to do OCR for Vietnamese classic script, Chữ Nôm, also, but Tesseract has limitations that make it not possible for CJKV characters, according to: http://code.google.com/p/tesseract-ocr/wiki/TrainingTesseract On Dec 12, 3:24 pm, project2501 wrote: > Hi all, >    I'm new to this

Re: GUI version of tesseract?

2009-01-04 Thread nguyenq
You can try FreeOCR (.NET) or VietOCR (Java & .NET). http://www.softi.co.uk/freeocr.htm http://vietocr.sourceforge.net/ On Jan 4, 2:57 am, sai wrote: > Hi all > > I'm not quite familiar with the pluggin usage of tesseract in my own > project. > Including the tesseract's .dll ifle is enough to e

VietOCR v0.9.10 & VietOCR.NET v0.9.1 Releases

2009-01-19 Thread nguyenq
Java & .NET GUI frontend for Tesseract OCR engine, providing character recognition support for TIFF, JPEG, GIF, PNG, BMP image formats, and multi-page images. These releases add watch folder monitor for batch processing. http://vietocr.sf.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~

Re: Using tesseract in a C# application

2009-02-15 Thread nguyenq
Take a look at VietOCR.NET, a C# GUI frontend integrating Tessnet2 .NET wrapper for Tesseract 2.03 OCR engine. http://vietocr.sf.net On Feb 15, 10:47 am, Waspinator wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to create a simple GUI for tesseract-ocr using C#. > > I'm not sure how to include the tesseract-ocr

Re: Out of Memory

2009-02-15 Thread nguyenq
Yes, increase memory for the JVM, something like: java -Xms128m -Xmx512m -jar yourprogram.jar Take a look at VietOCR, a Java GUI frontend for Tesseract 2.03 OCR engine. http://vietocr.sf.net On Feb 9, 3:07 pm, Mike wrote: > I have the following code in Java running the prebuilt tesseract > wi

Re: Using tesseract in a C# application

2009-02-19 Thread nguyenq
gt; help > Hiral > > On Feb 16, 8:28 am, nguyenq wrote: > > > Take a look at VietOCR.NET, a C# GUI frontend integrating > > Tessnet2 .NET wrapper for Tesseract 2.03 OCR engine. > > >http://vietocr.sf.net > > > On Feb 15, 10:47 am, Waspinator wrote: >

Re: TIF / PDF Image to PDF searchable

2009-02-24 Thread nguyenq
VietOCR program includes a feature which monitors a watch folder for new image (not PDF) files and automatically convert them to text files. You can take a step further by converting those text files to PDF, which should be searchable. http://vietocr.sf.net On Feb 24, 7:44 am, myworld wrote: >