Re: security blather Re: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread moebius
Hey All, A firewall cannot tell the difference btwn a telnet connection and a smtp connection, that I am aware of. Telnet doesn't really do anything special beside open a connection to a particluar port (usu. 23). In addition to that many smtp's have to be configured to allow for somewhat non-sta

Re: security blather Re: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread kelly
On Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:34:30 -0400, "Susannah D. Rosenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >packet filtering mean anything to you? I understand the concept. I'm stating that there's no way you can tell a TCP SYN on port 25 from an MTA from a TCP SYN on port 25 from telnet. They look exactly the s

Re: security blather Re: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread Susannah D. Rosenberg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:14:59 -0400 , "Fan, Laurel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > >If I can, from my computer, open an "smtp connection" to port 25 on > >somehost, I can run "telnet somehost 25". Neither of which has > >anything at all to do with telnetd. > > I am in

Re: security blather Re: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread kelly
On Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:14:59 -0400 , "Fan, Laurel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >If I can, from my computer, open an "smtp connection" to port 25 on >somehost, I can run "telnet somehost 25". Neither of which has >anything at all to do with telnetd. I am indeed at a loss to tell how a firewall coul

RE: security blather Re: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread Fan, Laurel
Susannah D. Rosenberg, [EMAIL PROTECTED], said: > yep. but there's a difference between being able to /telnet/ to port 25, > and opening an smtp connection to port 25. No, there is not. Unless by "telnet" you mean something besides "run a program named telnet and connect to port 25". (In which

security blather Re: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread Susannah D. Rosenberg
"Fan, Laurel" wrote: > > Susannah D. Rosenberg, [EMAIL PROTECTED], said: > > yeah, but it still leaves rlogind and telnetd flapping in the wind. can > > you say "telnet to port 25", boys and girls? > > > > gaping security flaws are /bad/. > > Taking out rlogind and telnetd won't close port 25.