Re: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-09 Thread Telsa Gwynne
On Fri, Jul 07, 2000 at 05:54:44PM -0400 or thereabouts, Susannah D. Rosenberg wrote: > sorry, no clue. oooh... . damn. > it's like a little howto on being a group-based access nazi. cool! > > quote from the default suse group.conf: > '# Example: games are alowed between the hours of 6pm and

Re: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-08 Thread Magni Onsoien
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Summary: > > /bin/false or /bin/true as a login shell prevents an individual from > logging in via telnet, ssh or rlogin. > > Closing off rlogind and telnetd prevents ANYONE from logging in via > rlogin or telnet. (But not ssh. Which is usually deliberately permitted) sshd

Re: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread jenn
"Susannah D. Rosenberg" wrote: > > Samantha Jo Moore wrote: > > If you change this for /bin/false then they won't > > be able to telnet in. > > yeah, but it still leaves rlogind and telnetd flapping in the wind. can > you say "telnet to port 25", boys and girls? > > gaping security flaws are

Re: security blather Re: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread moebius
Hey All, A firewall cannot tell the difference btwn a telnet connection and a smtp connection, that I am aware of. Telnet doesn't really do anything special beside open a connection to a particluar port (usu. 23). In addition to that many smtp's have to be configured to allow for somewhat non-sta

Re: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread Susannah D. Rosenberg
Aaron Malone wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 07, 2000 at 05:36:41PM -0400, Susannah D. Rosenberg wrote: > > maybe "dodgy" is a bad word. "non-extensible" and "klduge" might be > > better. it probably comes down to the fact that, personally, i don't > > like to fsck around with things like /etc/passwd if i

Re: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread Aaron Malone
On Fri, Jul 07, 2000 at 04:45:02PM -0500, Aaron Malone wrote: > Incidentally, does the /etc/security/access.conf thing work with ssh? > I just tried disabling my access to our mail server, but it still let > me in. I didn't spend much time on the docs, maybe I did it wrong. :) To answer my own q

Re: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread Aaron Malone
On Fri, Jul 07, 2000 at 05:36:41PM -0400, Susannah D. Rosenberg wrote: > maybe "dodgy" is a bad word. "non-extensible" and "klduge" might be > better. it probably comes down to the fact that, personally, i don't > like to fsck around with things like /etc/passwd if i don't have to. > call me paran

Re: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread Susannah D. Rosenberg
Brian Sweeney wrote: > > Hey all- > > Thanks everyone for the responses; the setting login to /bin/false is a neat > trick. Also, FYI to those who feared for the security of my server, I DO > have a firewall implemented, and this machine is behind it. I don't have to > worry as much about what

Re: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread Susannah D. Rosenberg
Aaron Malone wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 07, 2000 at 05:10:21PM -0400, Susannah D. Rosenberg wrote: > > yeah, but it's still a slightly dodgy way of doing it, imho. the > > etc/security/access.conf thing is probably a better way of doing it, or > > putting people into a group that has restricted acces

Re: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread Aaron Malone
On Fri, Jul 07, 2000 at 05:10:21PM -0400, Susannah D. Rosenberg wrote: > yeah, but it's still a slightly dodgy way of doing it, imho. the > etc/security/access.conf thing is probably a better way of doing it, or > putting people into a group that has restricted access. Just out of curiosity, coul

RE: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread Brian Sweeney
Hey all- Thanks everyone for the responses; the setting login to /bin/false is a neat trick. Also, FYI to those who feared for the security of my server, I DO have a firewall implemented, and this machine is behind it. I don't have to worry as much about what ports are open where b/c the firewa

Re: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread Susannah D. Rosenberg
Aaron Malone wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 07, 2000 at 01:54:41PM -0400, Susannah D. Rosenberg wrote: > > yeah, but it still leaves rlogind and telnetd flapping in the wind. can > > you say "telnet to port 25", boys and girls? > > > > gaping security flaws are /bad/. > > This has been discussed a bit a

Re: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread Aaron Malone
On Fri, Jul 07, 2000 at 01:54:41PM -0400, Susannah D. Rosenberg wrote: > yeah, but it still leaves rlogind and telnetd flapping in the wind. can > you say "telnet to port 25", boys and girls? > > gaping security flaws are /bad/. This has been discussed a bit already, but I think there's some dee

Re: security blather Re: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread kelly
On Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:34:30 -0400, "Susannah D. Rosenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >packet filtering mean anything to you? I understand the concept. I'm stating that there's no way you can tell a TCP SYN on port 25 from an MTA from a TCP SYN on port 25 from telnet. They look exactly the s

Re: security blather Re: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread Susannah D. Rosenberg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:14:59 -0400 , "Fan, Laurel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > >If I can, from my computer, open an "smtp connection" to port 25 on > >somehost, I can run "telnet somehost 25". Neither of which has > >anything at all to do with telnetd. > > I am in

RE: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread bill t
in inetd.conf - turn off all services you don't want. This includes rlogin, rtelnet, and telnet. in /etc/passwd set the last to /dev/null use tcpwrappers on all incoming services you left open (via inetd.conf). Do not run any stand alone servers you don't trust. That is all. Bill On Fri, 7

Re: security blather Re: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread kelly
On Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:14:59 -0400 , "Fan, Laurel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >If I can, from my computer, open an "smtp connection" to port 25 on >somehost, I can run "telnet somehost 25". Neither of which has >anything at all to do with telnetd. I am indeed at a loss to tell how a firewall coul

Re: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread kelly
On Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:52:46 -0400, "Brian Sweeney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Does anyone know how to restrict users on a RHL 6.0 box from being able to >actually login? RH 6.0 has so many security flaws that you simply should not run it in an open environment. Upgrading bind is absolutely es

RE: security blather Re: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread Fan, Laurel
Susannah D. Rosenberg, [EMAIL PROTECTED], said: > yep. but there's a difference between being able to /telnet/ to port 25, > and opening an smtp connection to port 25. No, there is not. Unless by "telnet" you mean something besides "run a program named telnet and connect to port 25". (In which

security blather Re: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread Susannah D. Rosenberg
"Fan, Laurel" wrote: > > Susannah D. Rosenberg, [EMAIL PROTECTED], said: > > yeah, but it still leaves rlogind and telnetd flapping in the wind. can > > you say "telnet to port 25", boys and girls? > > > > gaping security flaws are /bad/. > > Taking out rlogind and telnetd won't close port 25.

RE: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread Fan, Laurel
Susannah D. Rosenberg, [EMAIL PROTECTED], said: > yeah, but it still leaves rlogind and telnetd flapping in the wind. can > you say "telnet to port 25", boys and girls? > > gaping security flaws are /bad/. Taking out rlogind and telnetd won't close port 25. And I'm assuming a mail server would

Re: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread Eva Fenrich
Hi! On Fri, Jul 07, 2000 at 01:52:46PM -0400, Brian Sweeney wrote: > Does anyone know how to restrict users on a RHL 6.0 box from being able to > actually login? I know this sounds strange, but hear me out. I have this > new mailserver up, and I want people to be able to POP to it to retrieve >

Re: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread Patricia Jung
Hi Brian and all, Du hast am Fri, Jul 07, 2000 at 01:52:46PM -0400 folgendes geschrieben: > > Does anyone know how to restrict users on a RHL 6.0 box from being able to > actually login? I know this sounds strange, but hear me out. I have this What about /bin/nologin, /bin/false or something

Re: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread Susannah D. Rosenberg
Samantha Jo Moore wrote: > > > Does anyone know how to restrict users on a RHL 6.0 box from being able to > > actually login? I know this sounds strange, but hear me out. I have this > > new mailserver up, and I want people to be able to POP to it to retrieve > > mail, but not anything else. I

Re: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread Susannah D. Rosenberg
Brian Sweeney wrote: > > Hello all- > > Does anyone know how to restrict users on a RHL 6.0 box from being able to > actually login? > PS-If I could at least make it so that they couldn't login via telnet, THAT > would be a big help... edit /etc/inetd.conf (as root). turn off rlogind and tel

RE: [techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread Samantha Jo Moore
> Does anyone know how to restrict users on a RHL 6.0 box from being able to > actually login? I know this sounds strange, but hear me out. I have this > new mailserver up, and I want people to be able to POP to it to retrieve > mail, but not anything else. I had thought the way to do this was

[techtalk] login restriction

2000-07-07 Thread Brian Sweeney
Hello all- Does anyone know how to restrict users on a RHL 6.0 box from being able to actually login? I know this sounds strange, but hear me out. I have this new mailserver up, and I want people to be able to POP to it to retrieve mail, but not anything else. I had thought the way to do this