On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 12:05:32AM +0100, Kamil Rytarowski wrote:
> On 09.11.2020 21:46, Robert Elz wrote:
> > Date:Mon, 9 Nov 2020 19:05:23 +0100
> > From:Kamil Rytarowski
> > Message-ID: <04c9e1ad-df4e-1372-74d3-a17fdd5dd...@netbsd.org>
> >
> > | I propose to remo
Date:Tue, 10 Nov 2020 00:05:32 +0100
From:Kamil Rytarowski
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| Do you use it? Do you know anybody who uses it on NetBSD-current?
I might start. Particularly for the pages that mandoc can't format properly.
| I don't trust that these people are track
On 10.11.2020 10:30, Robert Elz wrote:
> Date:Tue, 10 Nov 2020 00:05:32 +0100
> From:Kamil Rytarowski
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> | Do you use it? Do you know anybody who uses it on NetBSD-current?
>
> I might start. Particularly for the pages that mandoc can't format pro
Date:Tue, 10 Nov 2020 11:14:12 +0100
From:Kamil Rytarowski
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| If you still can find any man-page that is unsupported by mandoc, please
| let me know and I will report it.
That was done (by someone else, sorry, I have forgotten who that was)
earlier in
Kamil Rytarowski writes:
> It's not a selling point to any regular user, born after A.D. 2000 to
> optimize reading man pages.
This ageist comment is offensive and not appropriate on NetBSD lists.
It's also remarkably off base; the notion that most NetBSD users are
less than 20 years old seems
On 10.11.2020 12:59, Robert Elz wrote:
> Date:Tue, 10 Nov 2020 11:14:12 +0100
> From:Kamil Rytarowski
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> | If you still can find any man-page that is unsupported by mandoc, please
> | let me know and I will report it.
>
> That was done (by someone
> cat-pages always finish with .0 (unless compressed) and that way they
> are integrated into man.conf(5).
That is not my experience; I have not infrequently seen them named
ending with .cat1, .cat2, .cat3, etc. I think I've even seen them
named simply .1, .2, .3, etc, differentiated from the inp
Date:Tue, 10 Nov 2020 14:13:04 -0500 (EST)
From:Mouse
Message-ID: <202011101913.oaa19...@stone.rodents-montreal.org>
| I certainly don't see any reason kre shouldn't name catpages with a
| manual-section suffix, if that works for him.
It wasn't due to any specifi
Date:Tue, 10 Nov 2020 19:28:41 +0100
From:Kamil Rytarowski
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| I hope this is a typo, and not the indication that you forgot how to use
| the cat-pages at all and miss a computer to cross-check how these files
| are named.
As in my reply to Mouse, I
On 10.11.2020 23:04, Robert Elz wrote:
> Date:Tue, 10 Nov 2020 19:28:41 +0100
> From:Kamil Rytarowski
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> | I hope this is a typo, and not the indication that you forgot how to use
> | the cat-pages at all and miss a computer to cross-check how thes
I just discovered another reason I would like to keep catpages, or at
the very least support for them if the admin cares to enable it.
I was on a 9.1 system (for work, not that that matters to my point)
booted single-user. And look:
# man installboot
man: Formatting manual page...
man: /tmp/man.
Kamil Rytarowski writes:
> I am surprised that the proposal to remove MK${FOO} is read as removal
> of the Makefile conditionals and keep ${FOO} in the base. With that
> bizarre interpretation the whole proposal renders into useless idea.
>
> I would be very surprised to interpret that e.g. prop
Le mar. 10 nov. 2020 à 23:45, Mouse a écrit :
> And, of course, when you're up single-user is, generally, when you're
> least able to bring other tools to bear or the like, and when you're
> possibly most likely need to know how to use a command you don't use
> enough to have memorized. Fortunate
NetBSD/amd64 9.1. root's shell is /bin/sh.
What do I have to do to arrange that "set -o emacs" is in effect when I
su? I'm would expect I just need to drop the right incantation into
the right file, but so far I have failed to discover the magic formula.
I've been limping along manually typing s
On 11/11/20 12:17 AM, Jaromír Doleček wrote:
Le mar. 10 nov. 2020 à 23:45, Mouse a écrit :
And, of course, when you're up single-user is, generally, when you're
least able to bring other tools to bear or the like, and when you're
possibly most likely need to know how to use a command you don'
Jaromír Doleček wrote in
:
|Le mar. 10 nov. 2020 à 23:45, Mouse a écrit :
|> And, of course, when you're up single-user is, generally, when you're
|> least able to bring other tools to bear or the like, and when you're
|> possibly most likely need to know how to use a command you don't use
|
On 11.11.2020 00:16, Greg Troxel wrote:
>
> Kamil Rytarowski writes:
>
>> I am surprised that the proposal to remove MK${FOO} is read as removal
>> of the Makefile conditionals and keep ${FOO} in the base. With that
>> bizarre interpretation the whole proposal renders into useless idea.
>>
>> I
Kamil Rytarowski writes:
> I wish good luck finding user-base/target-audience (if you like, in any
> age) that relies on the slowest of slow hardware and cannot use anything
> else to study the system documentation.
You are missing the other larger point. It may well be that catpages
should g
[...single-user...man(1) fails EROFS...]
>>> OK, I see here a suggestion that in the year 2020, installed
>>> catpages save the day as the only way how to get a formatted
>>> manpage for publicly available operating system while in
>>> single-user without a read-write /tmp.
Only way? No, of
On 11.11.2020 01:18, Greg Troxel wrote:
>
> Kamil Rytarowski writes:
>
>> I wish good luck finding user-base/target-audience (if you like, in any
>> age) that relies on the slowest of slow hardware and cannot use anything
>> else to study the system documentation.
>
> You are missing the other
On 11/11/20 12:49 AM, Christian Groessler wrote:
On 11/11/20 12:17 AM, Jaromír Doleček wrote:
Le mar. 10 nov. 2020 à 23:45, Mouse a
écrit :
And, of course, when you're up single-user is, generally, when you're
least able to bring other tools to bear or the like, and when you're
possibly most
On Nov 10, 19:28, Kamil Rytarowski wrote:
} On 10.11.2020 12:59, Robert Elz wrote:
} > Date:Tue, 10 Nov 2020 11:14:12 +0100
} > From:Kamil Rytarowski
} > Message-ID:
} >
} > | If you still can find any man-page that is unsupported by mandoc, please
} > | let me k
On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 23:31:12 +0100, Kamil Rytarowski wrote:
> On 10.11.2020 23:04, Robert Elz wrote:
> > Date:Tue, 10 Nov 2020 19:28:41 +0100
> > From:Kamil Rytarowski
> > Message-ID:
>
> So you just confirmed to have a lot of opinions and just started to
> (re)l
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