> However, I took a quick look at the source yesterday and it seems the
> code comes as 52 source files numbered 01-52, which is not, shall we
> say, entirely auspicious. :-|
Well, any decent C programmer would have called them z00.c through z51.c.
On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 04:16:49PM +0100, Reinoud Zandijk wrote:
> > > Right, and in my experience it would be completely unsuitable. :)
> > >
> > > Now, don't get me wrong, I love Lout and and when I need a batch
> > > formatter it's what I use unless there are strong overriding reasons.
> >
> Yeah, who uses rendering a manpage in a tight loop ;) If it runs on
> the older machines in a few seconds I don't think its going to be an
> issue. And it isn't that slow is it?
As someone who still routinely uses "older machines", if it is
significantly slower than nroff, it will be a problem
On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 01:08:39AM +, David Holland wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 12:03:21PM +0300, Valery Ushakov wrote:
> > > Well, there is lout to consider.
> > [...]
> > > I've never used it for manpage rendering though! A simple `awk'
> > > script could indeed do it as its format i
On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 12:03:21PM +0300, Valery Ushakov wrote:
> > Well, there is lout to consider.
> [...]
> > I've never used it for manpage rendering though! A simple `awk'
> > script could indeed do it as its format is quite easy. Uwe has
> > experience with it :)
>
> Right, and in my
On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 07:20:31PM +0100, Anders Magnusson wrote:
> Agreed if the goal is to replace groff.
> What i was referring to was only the ability to format nroff man pages
> containing troff directives, nothing else.? It's really small for that
> usage.
> The troff part only generates
Den 2021-03-13 kl. 16:06, skrev Valery Ushakov:
On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 10:39:08 +0100, Anders Magnusson wrote:
Den 2021-03-13 kl. 10:03, skrev Valery Ushakov:
On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 10:54:46 +0100, Reinoud Zandijk wrote:
Well, there is lout to consider.
[...]
I've never used it for manpa
On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 10:39:08 +0100, Anders Magnusson wrote:
> Den 2021-03-13 kl. 10:03, skrev Valery Ushakov:
> > On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 10:54:46 +0100, Reinoud Zandijk wrote:
> >
> > > Well, there is lout to consider.
> > [...]
> > > I've never used it for manpage rendering though! A simple
Den 2021-03-13 kl. 10:03, skrev Valery Ushakov:
On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 10:54:46 +0100, Reinoud Zandijk wrote:
Well, there is lout to consider.
[...]
I've never used it for manpage rendering though! A simple `awk'
script could indeed do it as its format is quite easy. Uwe has
experience with
On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 10:54:46 +0100, Reinoud Zandijk wrote:
> Well, there is lout to consider.
[...]
> I've never used it for manpage rendering though! A simple `awk'
> script could indeed do it as its format is quite easy. Uwe has
> experience with it :)
Right, and in my experience it would b
On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 10:54:46AM +0100, Reinoud Zandijk wrote:
> > Like with many other problems, the current situation is poor and
> > there's also no particularly viable way forward.
>
> Well, there is lout to consider. Its a selfcontained program
> written in C only with no external depe
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 07:50:02AM +, David Holland wrote:
> I think the _solution_ to this problem is a new typesetting engine
> (not anything based on tex or roff), but this has to happen and become
> viable independent of netbsd before we adopt it; if we jump the gun
> it's as likely to beco
On 2020-11-15 12:20, Robert Elz wrote:
> Date:Sun, 15 Nov 2020 03:10:08 +0100
> From:Kamil Rytarowski
> Message-ID: <12f29556-2407-2f6f-de5c-67539bca6...@netbsd.org>
>
> | 1. NetBSD base ships with two programs that can format manual pages from
> | base and most 3
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 07:50:02AM +, David Holland wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 03:10:08AM +0100, Kamil Rytarowski wrote:
> > I'm going to summarize the situation with formatters in the NetBSD base.
>
> A couple more points:
>
> > [...] old groff in base.
>
> There's an additional rea
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 07:50:02AM +, David Holland wrote:
> [...]
>
> (2) Thierry mentions kertex as an alternative to trying to import
> ordinary tex into base (which is a nonstarter), but this never goes
> anywhere;
To put clearly things about the proposal:
1) I do not propose to import T
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 03:10:08AM +0100, Kamil Rytarowski wrote:
> I'm going to summarize the situation with formatters in the NetBSD base.
A couple more points:
> [...] old groff in base.
There's an additional reason to not update groff besides licensing,
which is that recent groff depends o
Kamil Rytarowski wrote in
<12f29556-2407-2f6f-de5c-67539bca6...@netbsd.org>:
|I apologize for nerves and words that could be avoided.
|
|I'm going to summarize the situation with formatters in the NetBSD base.
|
|1. NetBSD base ships with two programs that can format manual pages from
|base
On 15.11.2020 08:18, Martin Husemann wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 03:10:08AM +0100, Kamil Rytarowski wrote:
>> 1. NetBSD base ships with two programs that can format manual pages from
>> base and most 3rd party software: BSD mandoc (newest) and GPLv2 groff
>> 1.19.2 (old, from 2005).
>
> Ignor
Hi,
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 12:43:58PM -0500, Mouse wrote:
> But, of course, that's predicated on someone going to the trouble to
> (a) build a DVI-to-text backend (not hard, if it doesn't yet exist,
Whether the whole TeX-idea is useful for the purpose, I don't know
at the momenti; but dvi2tty i
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 12:43:58PM -0500, Mouse wrote:
> >> - switch to something else (anything else?)
> > As a general purpose doc tool [TeX] is fine,
>
> Only for typeset doc. For read-as-text doc - which, at least
> personally, is far more important - it is, well, see below. (For
> almost a
>> - switch to something else (anything else?)
> As a general purpose doc tool [TeX] is fine,
Only for typeset doc. For read-as-text doc - which, at least
personally, is far more important - it is, well, see below. (For
almost all purposes, if I'm faced with typeset documentation,
regardless of
Date:Sun, 15 Nov 2020 03:10:08 +0100
From:Kamil Rytarowski
Message-ID: <12f29556-2407-2f6f-de5c-67539bca6...@netbsd.org>
| 1. NetBSD base ships with two programs that can format manual pages from
| base and most 3rd party software: BSD mandoc (newest) and GPLv2 gr
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 03:10:08 +0100, Kamil Rytarowski wrote:
> 10. I've suggested a MANWIDTH patch, which looked fine for upstream, but
> it is not guaranteed to land upstream at all or in that form.
>
> http://netbsd.org/~kamil/patch-00287-mandoc-MANWIDTH.txt
mandoc may support MANWIDTH as a
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 03:10:08AM +0100, Kamil Rytarowski wrote:
> 12. I recall recurring discussions about phasing out gplv2 groff from
> the base and introduction of something else.
>
> I can see the following options:
>
> - do nothing, keep shipping gnu gplv2 groff
> - upgrade to gplv3 grof
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 03:10:08AM +0100, Kamil Rytarowski wrote:
> 1. NetBSD base ships with two programs that can format manual pages from
> base and most 3rd party software: BSD mandoc (newest) and GPLv2 groff
> 1.19.2 (old, from 2005).
Ignoring pkgsrc and most parts of what you listed in the p
Hello,
I apologize for nerves and words that could be avoided.
I'm going to summarize the situation with formatters in the NetBSD base.
1. NetBSD base ships with two programs that can format manual pages from
base and most 3rd party software: BSD mandoc (newest) and GPLv2 groff
1.19.2 (old, from
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