Re: Proposal to remove catman(8)

2020-11-09 Thread John Nemeth
On Nov 10, 1:13, Kamil Rytarowski wrote: } On 10.11.2020 01:05, Paul Goyette wrote: } > On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, Kamil Rytarowski wrote: } > } > } >> } >> It's not a selling point to any regular user, born after A.D. 2000 to } >> optimize reading man pages. } > } > Whoa there.=C2=A0 Don't put down

Re: Proposal to remove catman(8)

2020-11-09 Thread Kamil Rytarowski
On 10.11.2020 01:18, Mouse wrote: >>> [...] >> It's not a selling point to any regular user, born after A.D. 2000 to >> optimize reading man pages. > > (a) So what? Neither, I daresay, is, oh, say, fpr, which is still > present in 9.1 > We might want to see fortran back. I have got no parti

Re: Proposal to remove catman(8)

2020-11-09 Thread Mouse
>> [...] > It's not a selling point to any regular user, born after A.D. 2000 to > optimize reading man pages. (a) So what? Neither, I daresay, is, oh, say, fpr, which is still present in 9.1 (b) Are those the only people NetBSD cares about? Or the only people you think it should care about

Re: Proposal to remove catman(8)

2020-11-09 Thread Kamil Rytarowski
On 10.11.2020 01:05, Paul Goyette wrote: > On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, Kamil Rytarowski wrote: > > >> >> It's not a selling point to any regular user, born after A.D. 2000 to >> optimize reading man pages. > > Whoa there.  Don't put down us older folks.  And why would you want > to characterize "regula

Re: Proposal to remove catman(8)

2020-11-09 Thread Paul Goyette
On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, Kamil Rytarowski wrote: It's not a selling point to any regular user, born after A.D. 2000 to optimize reading man pages. Whoa there. Don't put down us older folks. And why would you want to characterize "regular user" as being "not yet two decades old" ? +--

Re: Proposal to remove catman(8)

2020-11-09 Thread Kamil Rytarowski
On 09.11.2020 21:46, Robert Elz wrote: > Date:Mon, 9 Nov 2020 19:05:23 +0100 > From:Kamil Rytarowski > Message-ID: <04c9e1ad-df4e-1372-74d3-a17fdd5dd...@netbsd.org> > > | I propose to remove catman(8). > > Don't. Do you use it? Do you know anybody who uses it on N

Re: Proposal to remove catman(8)

2020-11-09 Thread Valery Ushakov
On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 21:12:10 +0100, Tobias Nygren wrote: > mandoc is used for everything that is in pkgsrc. For example: > $ mandoc /usr/pkg/man/man1/bash.1 | more > > If you want to make the argument that it cannot render certain > third-party manual pages in way that makes the content intell

Re: Proposal to remove catman(8)

2020-11-09 Thread Mouse
>> $ mandoc /usr/pkg/man/man1/bash.1 | more > or even just man /usr/pkg/man/man1/bash.1 > although I'm not sure when this was introduced; I'm pretty sure it > didn't always work. It didn't. Trying it on my machines, it works (well, not with that exact path, but with a different path to a manpage

Re: Proposal to remove catman(8)

2020-11-09 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Mon, 9 Nov 2020 19:05:23 +0100 From:Kamil Rytarowski Message-ID: <04c9e1ad-df4e-1372-74d3-a17fdd5dd...@netbsd.org> | I propose to remove catman(8). Don't. | - cat pages are not generated by default since 2012 and almost nobody | (except me?) used them in

Re: Proposal to remove catman(8)

2020-11-09 Thread Rhialto
On Mon 09 Nov 2020 at 21:12:10 +0100, Tobias Nygren wrote: > mandoc is used for everything that is in pkgsrc. For example: > $ mandoc /usr/pkg/man/man1/bash.1 | more or even just man /usr/pkg/man/man1/bash.1 although I'm not sure when this was introduced; I'm pretty sure it didn't always work. -O

Re: Proposal to remove catman(8)

2020-11-09 Thread Tobias Nygren
On Mon, 9 Nov 2020 14:12:19 -0500 (EST) Mouse wrote: > As for mandoc(1), I haven't looked at it...but I question how well it > can work. While I don't see them often, I do occasionally see manpages > (for third-party software, to be sure[%]) containing code that looks to > me like small bits of

Re: Proposal to remove catman(8)

2020-11-09 Thread Jaromír Doleček
Please do. Thank you. Le lun. 9 nov. 2020 à 19:09, Kamil Rytarowski a écrit : > > I propose to remove catman(8). > > The removal of all cat-man remnants was already implied during the > proposal of drop MKCATPAGES, but it apparently was not clear enough. > > Rationale: > - cat pages are not gene

Re: Proposal to remove catman(8)

2020-11-09 Thread Mouse
> I propose to remove catman(8). > [and all other forms of support for preformatted manpages] Personally, I would consider that a mistake. The major use I make of them - besides speed - is reading manpages out of a directory in some unexpected corner of the filesystem. I have found it far easier

Proposal to remove catman(8)

2020-11-09 Thread Kamil Rytarowski
I propose to remove catman(8). The removal of all cat-man remnants was already implied during the proposal of drop MKCATPAGES, but it apparently was not clear enough. Rationale: - cat pages are not generated by default since 2012 and almost nobody (except me?) used them in the past few years. -

Complete removal of support for cat-pages (Was: catman)

2020-11-09 Thread Valery Ushakov
On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 09:56:33 +0100, Thomas Klausner wrote: > On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 04:55:14AM +0300, Valeriy E. Ushakov wrote: > > > Hold your horses! This started with MKCATPAGES which is ability to > > pre-generate cat pages as part of the build. > > > > Now it's suddenly about eliminati

Re: catman (Was: CVS commit: src/games/fortune/datfiles)

2020-11-09 Thread Kamil Rytarowski
On 09.11.2020 09:56, Thomas Klausner wrote: > On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 04:55:14AM +0300, Valeriy E. Ushakov wrote: >> Hold your horses! This started with MKCATPAGES which is ability to >> pre-generate cat pages as part of the build. >> >> Now it's suddenly about eliminatiing support for cat pages e

Re: catman (Was: CVS commit: src/games/fortune/datfiles)

2020-11-09 Thread Thomas Klausner
On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 04:55:14AM +0300, Valeriy E. Ushakov wrote: > Hold your horses! This started with MKCATPAGES which is ability to > pre-generate cat pages as part of the build. > > Now it's suddenly about eliminatiing support for cat pages entirely?! > > Like, do you plan to remove suppor