Re: Weirdness in /bin/sh of 8.0

2018-08-15 Thread maya
You're complaining loudly at someone for changing code you believe is sacred. - We don't want to have any code in netbsd that is too sacred to touch. - kre is ridiculously fucking nice. - we really, really like kre. It's like everyone has a score. You can do negative and positive things. Positive

Re: Weirdness in /bin/sh of 8.0

2018-08-15 Thread Izaac
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 08:43:37PM +, m...@netbsd.org wrote: > By the time it reaches a release, a change to sh will likely undergo > many months of testing by people who like to use shell scripts and build > 16,000 packages all with very many shell scripts. http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi

Re: Weirdness in /bin/sh of 8.0

2018-08-15 Thread maya
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 08:29:29PM +, m...@netbsd.org wrote: > I would be defending him even if the criticism was about sh making my > own system unbootable. And it isn't. Keep in mind all these changes occur in -current. -current has random breakage, it happens (and it usually doesn't come fr

Re: Weirdness in /bin/sh of 8.0

2018-08-15 Thread Izaac
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 07:04:38PM +0200, Rhialto wrote: > So stop right there. I have no desire to read your insulting diatribes. > Nor, do I expect, have most others on this list. You are, of course, welcome to consider my points as nothing more than insults. You can stick your fingers in your

Re: Weirdness in /bin/sh of 8.0

2018-08-15 Thread Rhialto
On Wed 15 Aug 2018 at 12:12:53 -0400, Izaac wrote: > Yeah, I'm dragging a private conversation back onto the list. Is it > poor etiquette? Sure. So stop right there. I have no desire to read your insulting diatribes. Nor, do I expect, have most others on this list. *plonk* -Olaf. -- ___ Olaf

Re: Weirdness in /bin/sh of 8.0

2018-08-15 Thread Izaac
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:16:55AM +, Valery Ushakov wrote: > If you want SCO Unix you know where to find it. Cute. If you want Linux, you know where to find it. -- . ___ ___ . . ___ . \/ |\ |\ \ . _\_ /__ |-\ |-\ \__

Re: Weirdness in /bin/sh of 8.0

2018-08-15 Thread Izaac
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 10:47:16PM +, m...@netbsd.org wrote: > I for one strongly appreciate that: > - /bin/sh now has great test coverage Agreed. > - Said testsuite runs without a complaint from sanitizers > (all ~400 test cases!) ... agreed. > - I can now apply patches that were blocked

Re: Weirdness in /bin/sh of 8.0

2018-08-15 Thread Izaac
Yeah, I'm dragging a private conversation back onto the list. Is it poor etiquette? Sure. But this is important. If left unchecked, we are talking about a fundamental shift in the development doctrine of this operating system. On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 08:25:37AM +0700, Robert Elz wrote: > Yes,

Was: Re: Moving virecover to ~/

2018-08-15 Thread Izaac
I had written this reply nearly a year ago. But I sat on it. Now, though, I find myself so pissed off with the changes in release engineering/support, issues with the 8.0 release itself, and with the recent crop-up of this /bin/sh issue that I figured I'd dig it up and send in hope that it might

Re: Weirdness in /bin/sh of 8.0

2018-08-15 Thread Valery Ushakov
Izaac wrote: > On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 09:01:26AM -0400, Izaac wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 07:46:39AM +0700, Robert Elz wrote: >> > So, opinions? >> >> Stop. >> >> Leave /bin/sh alone. > > And here we are. If you want SCO Unix you know where to find it. -uwe