Re: [lopsa-tech] Wifi

2013-04-07 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (lopser)
> From: Brandon Allbery [mailto:allber...@gmail.com] > > It > depends on whether the OS actually tears down the interface while > renegotiating or leaves it valid; Acknowledged: It's OS dependent. If you jump from one AP to another, on the same network with the same SSID, and get the same IP a

Re: [lopsa-tech] how to do multi-zone WiFi with stock Linux?? was Re: Wifi

2013-04-07 Thread Matt Simmons
The L2 broadcast domain would grow...excessive, I suspect. If you've got a campus large enough to require this, you've got enough people and devices that you're probably don't want them all on the same subnet. Again, just guessing. I've never dealt with a network this large - my largest is my curre

Re: [lopsa-tech] Wifi

2013-04-07 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 7:22 AM, David Lang wrote: > When the AP's don't support roaming, the client needs to dissociate from >> the original AP, give up its IP address and request again from DHCP. The >> fact that DHCP assigns the same IP again is largely irrelevant - the fact >> that the client

Re: [lopsa-tech] how to do multi-zone WiFi with stock Linux?? was Re: Wifi

2013-04-07 Thread David Lang
On Sun, 7 Apr 2013, Robert Hajime Lanning wrote: On 04/07/13 04:15, David Lang wrote: also, as you move from one zone to another, all your connections will drop as the new router won't have them in it's masquerade tables. Yes, that would be true. I spaced on the NAT state table, though, you

Re: [lopsa-tech] how to do multi-zone WiFi with stock Linux?? was Re: Wifi

2013-04-07 Thread Robert Hajime Lanning
On 04/07/13 04:15, David Lang wrote: also, as you move from one zone to another, all your connections will drop as the new router won't have them in it's masquerade tables. Yes, that would be true. I spaced on the NAT state table, though, you could probably find a way to sync them, across rout

Re: [lopsa-tech] Wifi

2013-04-07 Thread David Lang
On Sun, 7 Apr 2013, Edward Ned Harvey (lopser) wrote: Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 12:03:24 + From: "Edward Ned Harvey (lopser)" To: David Lang , Frank Bulk Cc: "tech@lists.lopsa.org" Subject: RE: [lopsa-tech] Wifi From: tech-boun...@lists.lopsa.org [mailto:tech-boun...@lists.lopsa.org] On Beh

Re: [lopsa-tech] how to do multi-zone WiFi with stock Linux?? was Re: Wifi

2013-04-07 Thread David Lang
On Sun, 7 Apr 2013, Robert Hajime Lanning wrote: Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 04:03:52 -0700 From: Robert Hajime Lanning To: LOPSA Tech Subject: Re: [lopsa-tech] how to do multi-zone WiFi with stock Linux?? was Re: Wifi On 04/07/13 02:34, David Lang wrote: So, I had a couple of hours of solo

Re: [lopsa-tech] Wifi

2013-04-07 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (lopser)
> From: tech-boun...@lists.lopsa.org [mailto:tech-boun...@lists.lopsa.org] > On Behalf Of David Lang > > Ahh, but if they keep the same SSID, and the APs are bridged with DHCP > being > handled at some central server (not on the individual APs, then moving from > one > AP to another is just dis-as

Re: [lopsa-tech] Wifi

2013-04-07 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (lopser)
> From: tech-boun...@lists.lopsa.org [mailto:tech-boun...@lists.lopsa.org] > On Behalf Of David Lang > > why does the movement of users matter much? If you associate to an AP because it's the closest to you, and then you move away from it, your computer has to "scream louder" so the AP can hear

Re: [lopsa-tech] how to do multi-zone WiFi with stock Linux?? was Re: Wifi

2013-04-07 Thread Robert Hajime Lanning
On 04/07/13 02:34, David Lang wrote: So, I had a couple of hours of solo driving tonight and started thinking about this more. Thinking about it, if your users are very mobile, I think it's probably better to try and have everything bridged (tunneling things back and forth is extra overhead. Bu

Re: [lopsa-tech] Wifi

2013-04-07 Thread David Lang
On Sat, 6 Apr 2013, Matt Simmons wrote: Apologies for not recognizing your name. Of course none of that was new to you. But of course, you also know about the enterprise wifi solutions with tunneling and handoff, so I'm not sure what we're even discussing anymore :-) No problem, I deliberatly

[lopsa-tech] how to do multi-zone WiFi with stock Linux?? was Re: Wifi

2013-04-07 Thread David Lang
On Sat, 6 Apr 2013, David Lang wrote: On Sat, 6 Apr 2013, Matt Simmons wrote: how large do you need to be fore this to break? I've done this at conferences with over 2000 people, 40 APs across a large hotel. >There were no signs of problems. I'm interested to learn what problems to look for.

Re: [lopsa-tech] Wifi

2013-04-07 Thread David Lang
duh, that's right, 802.11x and 802.1x I wasn't remembering them. David Lang On Sat, 6 Apr 2013, Frank Bulk wrote: Because the Wi-Fi authentication happens *before* the IP address is handed out. Frank -Original Message- From: David Lang [mailto:da...@lang.hm] Sent: Saturday, April 06,