Re: [Tagging] Country names

2010-10-15 Thread Richard Mann
Copy what is done in Belgium. name = Rue Bouganville - Bouganville Street (ie removing the abbreviation) Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] shop=kiosk

2010-10-18 Thread Richard Mann
maybe: building=kiosk shop=newsagent and just leave it to local knowledge to know whether a newsagent typically sells sweets/tobacco/tickets The only one I'd have said was worth tagging individually was whether they sell bus tickets: bus_tickets=yes/no? Richard

Re: [Tagging] how to tag US townships?

2010-10-20 Thread Richard Mann
admin_level=8, as per > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Admin_level#10_admin_level_values_for_specific_countries place=suburb if it's a bit of a larger urban area place=town if it corresponds to a reasonably large standalone urban area place=village if it corresponds to a single small standalon

Re: [Tagging] how to tag US townships?

2010-10-20 Thread Richard Mann
Townships are units of govt that are subdivisions of County, typically square, population and urban form varies (to save you the trouble of reading the wiki article he suggested you read if you don't know what they are). If the township contains a series of tiny places, but people do genuinely giv

Re: [Tagging] Difference between footway and pedestrian

2010-10-26 Thread Richard Mann
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:55 PM, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: > Thanks to both. My problem is this: I have a street in a city, in a pedestrian > zone, but it is small enough to be unsuitable for cars. > > Near that, I have another one, just in the limits of the urban zone (maybe we > can call it

Re: [Tagging] quarries in engineering

2010-11-05 Thread Richard Mann
Gravel/sand/clay come from river beds, generally. Quarries are when you blast half a hill away. But I'm not an engineer... On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:47 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Are there any native english speaking engineers (or someone otherwise > into this topic) on this list? > > 1. I

Re: [Tagging] Busways

2010-11-15 Thread Richard Mann
I generally agree with this approach. When buses and bikes share a lane, I'd probably stick to cycleway=lane for the moment, or possibly cycleway=bus_lane. Richard On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 6:09 PM, esperanza wrote: > How to tag busways ? > I added some cases in this wiki page : > http://wiki.ope

Re: [Tagging] Busways

2010-11-15 Thread Richard Mann
sections (of the Cambridgeshire busway) without the trackbed I think > are not service either, they are unclassified roads to which buses only have > access - they aren't like a service road in an industrial estate or car > park. > > David > > On 15/11/2010 09:41, Richard Ma

Re: [Tagging] Groups of islands, how to tag?

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Mann
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 2:02 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/11/19 Nathan Edgars II : >> Probably use a multipolygon with place=island. +1 place=island is used to identify noteworthy places that are isolated enough to justify a label at a low zoom. Unfortunately, people started applying it

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Mann
HGV = Heavy Goods Vehicle. It seems to be broadly identical (give or take a couple of tons/tonnes) with a US "truck" so hgv=destination (or hgv=no) would seem to be correct Feel free to add a note on the wiki that hgv is en-gb for "truck" Or feel free to use truck=destination (or truck=no), and

Re: [Tagging] Groups of islands, how to tag?

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Mann
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 2:30 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/11/19 Richard Mann : > "An island is any piece of land that is completely surrounded by water > and isolated from other significant landmasses." That definition is correct - for single islands. "piece&quo

Re: [Tagging] Width of shop frontage

2010-11-23 Thread Richard Mann
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Laurence Penney wrote: > In some detailed shop tagging I'm doing it feel's like I'm missing a method > of declaring that a given shop is more than the width of one "shop unit". I'm > considering adding units=2, units=3 etc for such cases. If it's more than one u

Re: [Tagging] self-storage facilities

2010-12-11 Thread Richard Mann
"self-storage" would be the usual term in en-gb photo of one attached (not in OSM - yet) Richard On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Ed Hillsman wrote: > Is there a recommended way to tag self-storage facilities? The closest I've > been able to find is the tag landuse=garages > (http://wiki.openst

Re: [Tagging] self-storage facilities

2010-12-11 Thread Richard Mann
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > Why landuse? It's generally going to be located inside a larger > landuse area of commercial or industrial, and could be as small as a > standard office building. There is some use of > http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/tags/amenity=storage

Re: [Tagging] self-storage facilities

2010-12-11 Thread Richard Mann
I'd take the view that "amenity" implies a degree of personal access, so I reckon amenity=storage is probably sufficient rather than risk unnecessary typos with underscores. Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstr

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a loop on a bus route ?

2010-12-28 Thread Richard Mann
On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > In JOSM you can add a way to a relation multiple times. I'd be interested to see an example. Can you add nodes multiple times? Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http:/

Re: [Tagging] Mapping gentle slopes?

2011-01-04 Thread Richard Mann
The Brussels cycle map (unfortunately only available in a print version, as far as I can see) uses a coloured line on the right side of the road for notably uphill (pink) and severely uphill (red). It takes a bit of getting used to, but it conveys the information reasonably efficiently. Richard O

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-05 Thread Richard Mann
I map both: 1) I add cycleway:left=track to the road 2) I add adjacent=yes to the highway=cycleway, so you know you can refer to tags on the road if you prefer Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/lis

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-06 Thread Richard Mann
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > One situation that this would not cope with, that I see surprisingly often > around here, is where there is both a lane *and* a track. cycleway=lane with a highway=cycleway alongside, or cycleway=track (and just treat the lane as a bonus), o

Re: [Tagging] Signification of designated word

2011-01-07 Thread Richard Mann
The meaning and use of "designated" is confused and highly contested in OSM, so I'd avoid using it for any other purpose. I'd have said "carpool" ought to be a distinct value, not a key, if you've got exclusive parking. Something like: amenity=parking+access=carpool Richard On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 a

Re: [Tagging] Signification of designated word

2011-01-07 Thread Richard Mann
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Rodolphe Quiedeville wrote: > The problem is the acess is NOT exclusive, and I want to choose the > clearest key/value. It's easy to indicate what is exclusive but not so > easy to explain what is 'designated too' without restriction. > > What about carpool=welcome

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-07 Thread Richard Mann
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:30 PM, wrote: > I suspect that I am not the only one who has been confused by the > totally-unrelated meanings of highway=track (a minor, rural road) and > cycleway=track (a cycleway along side an automobile road).  I don't know > which one came first, but it is unfort

Re: [Tagging] Signification of designated word

2011-01-07 Thread Richard Mann
Ah - now I understand it a bit better - you mean a pick-up location. More a kind of bus stop for carpoolers. On that model I'd probably go for highway=carpool on a node. Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetm

Re: [Tagging] Signification of designated word

2011-01-07 Thread Richard Mann
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > Not really, since at least half the people arriving leave their cars > there (assuming everyone drives there). So it's a parking lot that's > designated for carpool use, but also available for general parking. > > I wonder if northern Virgi

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-07 Thread Richard Mann
&ie=UTF8&ll=52.235698,5.701776&spn=0.006163,0.021136&z=16&layer=c&cbll=52.235696,5.701937&panoid=amiIS_Sdj-ssgyQipVgJ3Q&cbp=12,274.9,,1,4.23 > This is a real cycleway track I think > > Please post your ultimate cycleway=track !!! > > -Robert- > > -O

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-09 Thread Richard Mann
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 4:08 AM, wrote: > Does this mean that, should someone else add the cycleway to the map at a > later time, the cycleway=track tag should be removed from the motor-vehicle > road? No. As I said earlier in this discussion, even when there are highway=cycleway ways, I leave

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-09 Thread Richard Mann
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Pieren wrote: > It's not "tagging for the renderers" but close. And you may confuse routing > applications. When I meet such (very seldom) double tagging, I always > clean-up the most undetailled or obsolete version. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tagging_for_t

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-10 Thread Richard Mann
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 6:29 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > So how does a renderer/router know if a nearby cycleway is the track > referred to by the tag on the roadway, or if there's another unmapped > cycleway between that one and the road? (This could happen, for > example, if a rail trail parall

Re: [Tagging] Equivalence relation (was: Re: Differences in cycleways)

2011-01-11 Thread Richard Mann
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: >  On 11/01/2011 12:20 AM, Richard Mann wrote: >> >> The user who'd prefer to use highway=cycleway ways doesn't >> know that the cycleway=track is a duplicate, but routers only have to >> give a slight

Re: [Tagging] Equivalence relation

2011-01-11 Thread Richard Mann
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Pieren wrote: > Like the "is_in", "adjacent" sounds horrible for spatial applications > working with spacial database where all elements already have spatial > coordinates. I agree for nodes and polygons. Ways next to other ways aren't so-easily capable of spatial

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-01 Thread Richard Mann
24000 uses so far, so I guess it's time to put it to a vote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Designation Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-01 Thread Richard Mann
You'all are welcome to: 1) Make another proposal 2) Vote yes or no to the proposal as it stands It's not appropriate to fine-tune the proposal during the voting stage - you either approve or oppose it as it stands. If there's an appropriate majority after 2 weeks, I'll move it to "approved". Oth

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-01 Thread Richard Mann
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 20:47:04 + > Richard Mann wrote: > >> If there's an appropriate majority after 2 weeks, I'll move it to >> "approved". Otherwise we'll just carry on waiting

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-02 Thread Richard Mann
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Tordanik wrote: >> I'm still not quite sure whether I understand what designation=* >> is supposed to do. > > It's to record the legal status, or designation, of a given object - whether > that object be a footpath, a waterway, or whatever

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-03 Thread Richard Mann
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Alex Mauer wrote: > On 03/02/2011 05:01 PM, Richard Mann wrote: > >> I reckon the voting is running at about 24000&  a handful for, and a >> handful against. > > Oh, come on.  If you’re going to count every element tagged with > de

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-03 Thread Richard Mann
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Yes, I know rewriting a page at this stage isn't the Done Thing. So sue me. Wikifiddler, first class. ;) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/list

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