Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Large fire perimeter tagging?

2020-09-30 Thread Andrew Harvey
So it seems then that what you're mapping here isn't so much the active fire front, it's the burnt area given you want it to stick around after the flames are out. During Australia's fires last season, I did contemplate mapping active fire fronts, given I could see with my own eyes where the flame

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - electricity:source

2020-09-30 Thread Jez Nicholson
For questions on ground-truth, the proposal page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/electricity:source cites examples such as the e-bike charging station with its own solar panels supplying the electricity https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Solar-Stromtankstelle_in_Allentst

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Large fire perimeter tagging?

2020-09-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 30. Sep 2020, at 08:30, stevea wrote: > > I'll say it once again: such a fire=perimeter IS a real-world "thing," > represented in OSM by a lightweight datum that I find to be "worth it" to be > in the map. +1 it is also clearly verifiable on the ground and will rema

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Large fire perimeter tagging?

2020-09-30 Thread stevea
On Sep 30, 2020, at 12:01 AM, Andrew Harvey wrote: > So it seems then that what you're mapping here isn't so much the active fire > front, it's the burnt area given you want it to stick around after the flames > are out. Neither of these two, really. Certainly not the active fire front: the f

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Large fire perimeter tagging?

2020-09-30 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 01:55:35AM -0700, stevea wrote: > On Sep 30, 2020, at 12:01 AM, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > So it seems then that what you're mapping here isn't so much the active > > fire front, it's the burnt area given you want it to stick around after the > > flames are out. > > Neithe

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Large fire perimeter tagging?

2020-09-30 Thread stevea
On Sep 30, 2020, at 2:31 AM, Sarah Hoffmann wrote: > This is a classic case where you should set up a separate > database to save the polygons and overlay them with OSM data. Thank you for your thoughtful reply, Sarah. However… (and it’s not polygons plural, I only entered into the map this sin

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - electricity:source

2020-09-30 Thread Lukas Richert
Yes, I've seen exactly such signage on a number of charging stations in my area. I did consider the generator:source-type tagging as well, and pretty much took the possible values from there (plus adding the general 'renewable' tag), however this is something that many different types of amenit

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Large fire perimeter tagging?

2020-09-30 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 at 08:09, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > During Australia's fires last season, I did contemplate mapping active > fire fronts, given I could see with my own eyes where the flames were up to > and I could have done a more accurate job for a small area than what the > government autho

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - electricity:source

2020-09-30 Thread Janko Mihelić
I don't like the tag key, because I would assume it's saying where its electricity is coming from, the grid or a generator on premises. This is a very intangible thing we are putting in a tag. A business is promising it's going to have a certain kind of contract with its electricity supplier. Maybe

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Large fire perimeter tagging?

2020-09-30 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 at 09:58, stevea wrote: I saw someone say “six to seven years” (as what might pass for “recovery” > to a large degree) to have “taken root” and after living most of my life > here, that sounds about right. It was I who said that. I don't have your personal experience, but i

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Large fire perimeter tagging?

2020-09-30 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 at 18:58, stevea wrote: > This is useful because it shows not only where OSM mappers (like me) will > need to update landcover > At least after the Australian fires, we still left natural=wood areas which burned tagged that way, and in my view this is correct since they are s

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Large fire perimeter tagging?

2020-09-30 Thread stevea
On Sep 30, 2020, at 5:27 AM, Paul Allen wrote: > BTW, ordinary polygons won't do for this. You'll need a multipolygon > to exclude the Mount Wilson observatory and some campgrounds that > were saved from the fires burning all around them. :) Perhaps I have not been clear or remain misunderstood:

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Large fire perimeter tagging?

2020-09-30 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 6:22 AM stevea wrote: > I’m not positive that this is true for the entire perimeter, but > bulldozer-cleared areas, hand-dug trenches many meters wide (to prevent a > fire “jumping” from one side of the perimeter to the other) and usage of > cutlines (for power cables /