Re: [Tagging] food forests / forest gardening

Thanks Joseph, I think that is a good idea. Even if the "form" is not really orchard-like, the "function" absolutely is. And the key is already in use and documented. I'll go with this for now. Op do 30 jul. 2020 om 16:41 schreef Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > A landuse=orchar

Re: [Tagging] food forests / forest gardening

sent from a phone > On 31. Jul 2020, at 11:34, joost schouppe wrote: > > I think that is a good idea. Even if the "form" is not really orchard-like, > the "function" absolutely is. And the key is already in use and documented. I think I would rather see these as kind of garden, with appropr

[Tagging] Conditional destinations (hgv, bicycle, maxweight…)

Hello, there. I'm wondering, there are destination signs which only apply to some kind of vehicles: for HGV, for bicycles, for pedestrians, for vehicles below 12t… How would I tag such destinations? The simple way would be to use, respectively, destination:hgv=*, destination:bicycle=*, destinat

Re: [Tagging] Conditional destinations (hgv, bicycle, maxweight…)

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 8:53 AM David Marchal via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Hello, there. > > I'm wondering, there are destination signs which only apply to some kind > of vehicles: for HGV, for bicycles, for pedestrians, for vehicles below > 12t… How would I tag such destinati

Re: [Tagging] Conditional destinations (hgv, bicycle, maxweight…)

No, such restrictions are typically not applied directly on the road indicated by the sign; they are present on other road segments along the indicated route, or may not be present at all, because the road network manager wants to encourage some kinds of vehicles to use a specific route, without

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

On 26/05/2020 00:20, Alan Mackie wrote: Has this edit war stabilised? Apparently it has been blocking coastline updates across the whole world for /months /now. https://osmdata.openstreetmap.de/data/land-polygons.html https://github.

Re: [Tagging] Conditional destinations (hgv, bicycle, maxweight…)

Hi David, On 31.07.20 15:53, David Marchal via Tagging wrote: Hello, there. I'm wondering, there are destination signs which only apply to some kind of vehicles: for HGV, for bicycles, for pedestrians, for vehicles below 12t… How would I tag such destinations? The simple way would be to use,

[Tagging] addr:street for routes

Hi all, what's the best way to tag the addr:street of an address along a highway route? Example, I'm mapping houses and POIs along NY 212: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/411064 Some segments of the route are tagged name=Main Street and the addresses there use Main Street for their street

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:24 AM Jmapb wrote: > Is it best to simply tag addr:street=NY 214, matching the ref tag of the > segment and the name tag of the route? This isn't consistent with the > wiki, which specifically says addr:street should match the *name* of a > nearby *way*. I'd go with t

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

.On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:25 PM Jmapb wrote: > Hi all, what's the best way to tag the addr:street of an address along a > highway route? > > Example, I'm mapping houses and POIs along NY 212: > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/411064 > > Some segments of the route are tagged name=Main Str

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

On 31/07/2020 14.02, Kevin Kenny wrote: The `addr:street` should match what goes on the address label that a delivery driver will be reading. Ordinarily, that's the signed name of the street, if the street has a name. Rural New York has many streets that will have a `ref=* noname=yes` - because

Re: [Tagging] Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 5:07 PM Alan Mackie wrote: > Many if not most of the entities mentioned in this discussion as being > candidates for "admin level above country" do have geographic reach > encompassing multiple countries, but are also limited in scope, often > severely. To tag such a limit

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

sent from a phone > On 31. Jul 2020, at 18:25, Jmapb wrote: > > But most of the ways in the route have no valid name. Segments were > imported from TIGER with name=State Highway 214 but that's been removed > in favor of ref=NY 214. around here we keep both, no need to remove the name if it m

Re: [Tagging] Conditional destinations (hgv, bicycle, maxweight…)

sent from a phone > On 31. Jul 2020, at 18:01, Jan Michel wrote: > > I'm not familiar with French rules, but is it the actual weight or the > allowed total weight of the vehicle that matters? If it's the latter, you can > use 'weightrating' instead of 'weight'. shouldn’t that be „maxweight

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

I agree. Proof of this is that a section of road which was formerly US Highway 99, but where the highway ref is now on a new bypass, will often by signed as “Old Highway 99”, so it’s reasonable to say that the name=* was “Highway 99” before. -Joseph Eisenberg On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:01 PM Mar

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 2:00 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 31. Jul 2020, at 18:25, Jmapb wrote: > > > > But most of the ways in the route have no valid name. Segments were > > imported from TIGER with name=State Highway 214 but that's been removed > > in favor of

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

Given that it's not customary or advisable to reproduce ref in the name field, kinda think that's not the worst policy for old_ref=* situations that have no name, as well by extension, but that's a bit more of a grey area still. On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 2:14 PM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I agree.

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

sent from a phone > On 31. Jul 2020, at 21:31, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Name is only the name. Names are not refs. For the above example, ref=NY > 214, noname=yes would be the right way. the authority for names are the local people. I would bet that some of them would refer to this partic

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

On 7/31/2020 1:00 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: I'd go with the official address.  It's not rare to find addresses in the US where what goes on an envelope doesn't match what the street is actually called. Nor is it rare to find the wiki to be wrong Sometimes the official address is unclear. Example,

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

So keep State Highway 214 in addr:street=* values, but that doesn't stop noname=yes and ref=NY 214 being the correct values for the way itself. On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 2:40 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 31. Jul 2020, at 21:31, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > > Name is

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

On 31. Jul 2020, at 18:25, Jmapb wrote: > > But most of the ways in the route have no valid name. Segments were > imported from TIGER with name=State Highway 214 but that's been removed > in favor of ref=NY 214. On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:01 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > around here we keep

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 03:44:13PM -0400, Jmapb wrote: > On 7/31/2020 1:00 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > I'd go with the official address.  It's not rare to find addresses in > > the US where what goes on an envelope doesn't match what the street is > > actually called. Nor is it rare to find the wik

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 3:16 PM Kevin Kenny wrote: > The reductio-ad-absurdum would be to argue that 42nd Street in Manhattan > should be `noname=yes ref=???` and participate in a route relation with > `network=US:NY:New York:Street ref=42`. I'm sure that would please strict > taxonomists, but mo

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 4:28 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 3:16 PM Kevin Kenny > wrote: > >> The reductio-ad-absurdum would be to argue that 42nd Street in Manhattan >> should be `noname=yes ref=???` and participate in a route relation with >> `network=US:NY:New York:Street re

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

On 7/31/2020 4:24 PM, Sarah Hoffmann wrote: Put one of the variants into addr:street and then all the variants as alternative names onto the road. Obviously that stretch of road is referred to under all these names, so this is what we should map. Putting aside the question of *which* variant t

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

Hi, I don't know the region myself so I am limited to anecdotal evidence as found on the web: * Montevideo clearly brands itself as having "a coast" (from welcomeuruguay.com: "Costa de Oro" (Gold Coast) is the name given to the great variety of beaches stretching from La Barra de Carrasco, in Mon

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 5:53 PM Tod Fitch wrote: > > > > On Jul 31, 2020, at 12:45 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > > So keep State Highway 214 in addr:street=* values, but that doesn't stop > noname=yes and ref=NY 214 being the correct values for the way itself. > > > > Which will, as I have found

Re: [Tagging] Ahkwesáhsne, a territory of the Kanien'kehá:ka Nation of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy Was:Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:54 AM Kevin Kenny wrote: > > > The nearest problem case to me is Ahkwesáhsne, a territory of > the Kanien'kehá:ka Nation of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy that straddles > the US-Canadian border, and whose government is recognized by neither > state. The political situat

Re: [Tagging] Ahkwesáhsne, a territory of the Kanien'kehá:ka Nation of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy Was:Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 6:59 PM Clifford Snow wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:54 AM Kevin Kenny > wrote: > >> >> >> The nearest problem case to me is Ahkwesáhsne, a territory of >> the Kanien'kehá:ka Nation of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy that straddles >> the US-Canadian border, and wh

Re: [Tagging] Ahkwesáhsne, a territory of the Kanien'kehá:ka Nation of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy Was:Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

Paul, Do you have any website or contact info for the tribe? There are a number of websites but not sure exactly which one. Although it be nice to get them all added. Clifford On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 7:17 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 6:59 PM Clifford Snow > wrote: > >>

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

> On Jul 31, 2020, at 12:45 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > So keep State Highway 214 in addr:street=* values, but that doesn't stop > noname=yes and ref=NY 214 being the correct values for the way itself. > Which will, as I have found by experience, result in OSM QA tools flagging you as the l

Re: [Tagging] Ahkwesáhsne, a territory of the Kanien'kehá:ka Nation of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy Was:Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

I do not, which was a big problem with that. I like mapping weird boundaries like that, so I tried to take it on, but it seems there's somewhat conflicting information between the tribe, US and Canada on this. I strongly suspect we're going to need to find an Ahkwesáhsnean that knows the boundarie

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

Re: “There's no textual version of the name anywhere (except as used for the addresses of residences and POIs." That's the standard situation where I mapped in eastern Indonesia. The highways almost never had street signs and official maps are absent So I would use whatever names were used common

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

On 7/31/20 14:29, Paul Johnson wrote: > Name is only the name.  Names are not refs.  For the above example, > ref=NY 214, noname=yes would be the right way.  How about the stretch of FM 1960 from I-45 or so going east into Humble? Addresses on it are " FM 1960 East", though I think it used to

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

On 2020-07-31 8:21 a.m., Andy Townsend wrote: On 26/05/2020 00:20, Alan Mackie wrote: Has this edit war stabilised? Apparently it has been blocking coastline updates across the whole world for /months /now. https://osmdata.openstreetmap.de/data/land-polygons.html https://github.com/fossgis/o

Re: [Tagging] kerb=regular vs. raised

As an result of this diskussion (no strong opposition, some general remarks, some endorsement) I added "kerb=regular" to the tagging example list in the wiki and adjusted hight descriptions (with values discussed here). If there is further need for discussion and changes, it could be carried out in